How long have people been visiting stately homes?

Visiting stately homes is a fairly common family day out in Britain, especially since so many are open for public viewing thanks to the National Trust and similar organisations. I had always assumed that this started once organisations like the Trust took over these places, until I recently read Pride and Prejudice.

In the book, which predates the National Trust by about a century, Elizabeth and her aunt and uncle are on holiday in Derbyshire and visit the gardens and house at Pemberley. They are even shown round the house by the housekeeper and shown pictures of the family who live there. Would this be normal behaviour? Were these houses considered somewhat public or would it be strange to just knock on the door and ask to have a look around?

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Thursday Reading & Recommendations | April 11, 2019

Previous weeks!

Thursday Reading and Recommendations is intended as bookish free-for-all, for the discussion and recommendation of all books historical, or tangentially so. Suggested topics include, but are by no means limited to:

  • Asking for book recommendations on specific topics or periods of history

  • Newly published books and articles you're dying to read

  • Recent book releases, old book reviews, reading recommendations, or just talking about what you're reading now

  • Historiographical discussions, debates, and disputes

  • ...And so on!

Regular participants in the Thursday threads should just keep doing what they've been doing; newcomers should take notice that this thread is meant for open discussion of history and books, not just anything you like -- we'll have a thread on Friday for that, as usual.

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Were both sides being overly cautious during the Battle of Jutland?

For an engagement with so many ships, I would have expected many more losses on both sides.

I mean not a single dreadnought was sunk on either side.

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i have a project about the egyptian mythology and i know very little about it ... can u recommend me the best books to start with :) thanks in advance

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Finding Hitler with Tim Kennedy on Joe Rogan

I was watching this today, and at 49:25 they start to talk about nazi's fleeiing to South America after the war ended. They (hundreds of thousands of nazis) allegedly started their own 'cults' and lived there for many years to come.

I was wondering what is really true of this? What's the real evidence? How credible is Tim Kennedy?

They even talk about the possibility of Hitler having lived and died there, but I always assumed the theories of the remains of Hitler were comfirmed by various researchers.

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Thanks in advance for your insisdes! :)

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Did the French Revolution improve the lives of non-aristocratic French people?

The causes of the French Revolution - high bread prices, starvation, the habitual indecency of the aristocrats towards the peasants and townspeople - are talked about a lot. To what extent did the Revolution actually help end those horrors? Did it relieve the "hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break"?

(I'm asking primarily about the time before the Napoleonic wars.)

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Why do men typically have short hair while women typically have long hair and has it always been this way?

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Books about Germany during the interwar

Hi, i've been looking for sources for my History exam and really need some books about the economics and politics of germany during this period. Are there any you would recommend?

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Roman republican historians: how generous was the Clodian grain dole?

I'm reading through lecture notes as I revise and came across my lecturer saying that the Clodian corn dole of 5 modii a month per free or freed adult man over ten would only have been enough to provide 1/2-2/3rds of their required food.

I've modelled the daily nutritional value that five modii of corn would probably provide using estimations from Pliny that would have a modius be equal to 6.5-7kg of grain and the nurtitional value of dry spelt (assuming that the grain was doled out dry and that spelt is fairly similar to Roman varieties).

What evidence is there for the Roman plebs requiring significant anounts of food on top of the dole? And in the event that they didn't does this mean housing costs were so high that this was necessary to keep the plebs alive?

(I don't understand, based on my calculations, how his numbers could be the case, but don't wan't to hassle my lecturer on a minor detail from a months old lecture when I've probably made a glaring mistake. )

My calculations:

Spelt (closest analogue to ancient grain?) per kg dry weight per 5 modii (1kg x 32, assuming modius is 6.5kg, to allow wiggle room) per day (per 5 modii/30) reference intakes (though NB for very active adult man eg labourer, so prob not enough) % of reference intake per day
calories 3380 108160 3605.3 2000 180%
carbs (g) 714 22848 761.6 360 293%
fibre (g) 107 3424 114.13 30 380%
starch (g) 539 17248 574.93 couldn't find, not sure if important part of diet n/a?
fat (g) 24 768 25.6 70 37%
protein (g) 146 4672 155.73 50 311%

Thoughts:

Presumably the ration isn't intended for just one person, and it is assumed they might have dependants. Looks like a single man could probably do more than ok so long as you had substantial extra fat in your diet, and presumably vegetables, but remember women, girls, and under tens need to be fed. NB extra grain is occasionally coming in from patricians, but we'll discount that as being unpredictable.

The ration looks like it might provide almost enough food for two people, although ofc the reference intake is probably based on someone sedentary, and they probably weren't, which would massively raise the requirements (though malnourishment was high wasn't it)

Even if we say the adult men and their wives are doing enough heavy manual labour to require twice as much food as a sedentary person, their children probably don’t. (And once your eldest son turns ten (at which point prob unlikely to have that many kids given infant mortality and breastfeedings efects on fertility? ) you can feed other kids too). Also it looks like children get a reduced dole called alimenta, including girls, which takes further strain off?

If you had two or more sons over 10 things could be a lot more manageable - similarly they may have been living in family groups large enough to pool resources? Perhaps that’s why republican era plebian tombstones (or at least the rich ones?) are often for brothers and wives. Living with parents would help too. The issue is being able to afford to raise children to 10 (but they too can start working at some point, increasing caloric needs but bringing in money for more food)

it's unlikely that they'd have that many mouths to feed: even considering a high probable birth rate infant mortality is c.30% and Forsch 1998 seems to suggest (in abstract, my german isn't good) c.3 under fives max per average family at a time.

Basically things would be tight but it looks like there'd be almost enough food, assuming that they lived in slightly extended family groups?

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What was courtship/dating like in 1920s America?

Had dating become more casual as it is today, or was there still a more formal courtship process like in the 19th century? Would it be unusual to simply ask someone on a date? What activities were popular date choices? Was the dating scene very different in the United States compared to Western Europe?

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How did we discern false information in the 1700 and 1800 hundreds? What was the standard for "fact checking" back then?

Present day, with all of the access to information we enjoy, it is still quite easy to become misinformed. Any idea that is presented requires extensive fact checking. Who and what institutions were responsible for fact checking information? if there was an event that was recorded or an idea based on the outcome of a recorded event, what was standard in ensuring that the thoughts presented were factual?

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The void of Australian 20th century history?

I have been trying to find a book or similar devoted to Australian 20th century history. While there seem to be sources for specific events, I haven't been able to locate any broad overviews of the century. While covering a recent century of a nation's history could be too large and undertaking and perhaps too recent to be considered in its entirety; it seems like historical reporting and analysis of 20th century Australia is virtually nonexistent except for events that have international connections, such as world wars. Certainly the vast majority of Australian history books focus on the colonial era. Are there any books or podcasts people can refer me to that cover 20th century history, including any that provide a good overview as a starting point to learn more? If anyone has any experiences or insights relating to the dearth (or otherwise) of 20th century Australian history in books, school lessons, etc. I would also be interested in hearing your comments.

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Were Roman proconsuls considered Kings by the nations conquered by Rome? If not, how were they seen?

Especially interested in the provinces of the Roman Republic and the early Empire. Thank you.

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Ancient Armies as compared to Late Medieval/Middle Ages Armies

I have always wondered about this.

Why does the ancient age seem much more "EPIC" as compared to late medieval/middle ages.

Why does the ancient armies of the ancient ages (Roman Republic, Roman Empire, Greeks, Macedonian, Persians etc) seem to have a grander scale or more epic armies and battles compared to Middle/ Late Medieval ages?

For comparison, why does the Roman Empire seem to have a very large, spread out and state funded Military whereas in the Late Medieval/Middle ages Kings have to win the support of various noble houses to acquire their armies?

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With Italy liberated in 1943, why did the Allies chose to attack from northern France? Why not continue through southern Germany?

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Historiography of Alexander the Great? How can we verify his accomplishments or even existence?

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Did Congress know about the Manhattan Project?

Really, my question is: To what extent was Congress aware of the Manhattan Project? Are there any examples of something being so top-secret that not even our elected representatives can know about it, and under what would that occur?

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Best books on post WWII history?

Hi, hopefully this isn't the wrong subreddit for this. If so, let me know where to post instead.

Somehow I've gotten to be as old as I am, which isn't that old but still, with only knowing ancient history. I'm interested in learning more about modern history, but I'm having trouble finding books on the US about its history since WWII, as well as other places such as Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. When I say post WWII, I mean history from 1945 on. Basically, a time frame and not specifically about what was done to "remedy" (for lack of a better word) the destruction and chaos of the second world war.

I'm not looking for a single book on all of these topics, just a couple books following different regions of the world beginning from some point in the 20th century and cover a chunk of the second half of that century.

Hopefully this has been clear, if not let me know. Thanks!

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Conflicting references to why the “Dark Ages,” are “Dark.” I first learned it was Dark because of superstition & the loss of the civilizing Roman Empire. Later, I learned “Dark” actually refers to a general lack of historical knowledge of the era. Which is correct?!

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As I heard in class and didn’t believe, did a king of The Congo give up all of the Congo in a misunderstood agreement with a European power, while he thought he only have up a small portion?

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Did the Irish experience slavery?

So the definition of slavery is being forced into servitude under bondage. In some accounts of the Irish indentured servants, many were conducted overnight, placed on ships and sent to several countries. The Irish were sold also and often if the woman slave had children the children were also slaves and by this account even if the Irish woman eventually earned freedom she wouldnt leave her own children for obvious reasons. Why isn't this talked about in the media? Or in schools?

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"Wisdom" is a concept that appears quite frequently in the Bible. What did Ancient Israelis consider to be wisdom?

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I'm in the process of making a podcast about the history of the Ottoman Empire for fun. What are some good general books that cover the whole history?

Just looking for some book recommendations. Here's the link if anyone's interested.

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Michael Gorbachev wrote his thesis on "the superiority of Socialism over Capitalism." Was this not a topic that had been done to death in the Soviet Union? What insight did he have to add?

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East German Military..

Was just wondering whether the German army and police force was manned by native Germans or by the Soviets, If there was a significant presence of the Soviets please provide a number if possible..

Thank you..

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