The Rock n' Roll suicides that Cobain was probably be most familiar with were Ian Curtis of Joy Division and Darby Crash of the Germs. He was no doubt familiar with Darby Crash's suicide because Pat Smear who played in Nirvana had formally been a member of the Germs. Cobain was quoted in the music press talking about Joy Division on a couple of occasions. In the July, 1994 issue of Mojo he said, "I stayed away from Joy Division because I'd heard a few of their songs and I knew that I would really like them. The stories that I'd heard about the band, I knew that's the band to listen to out of them all. I'm just waiting. I've always felt there's that element of Gothic in Nirvana."