To what extent did ancient Northern European tribes (such as the Angles, Jutes, Saxons, Frisians, etc) contribute to the Western tradition of Self-Governance/English Common Law/Democracy/etc?

by Kiltmanenator

To what extent did ancient Northern European tribes (such as the Angles, Jutes, Saxons, Frisians, etc) contribute to the Western tradition of Self-Governance/English Common Law/Democracy/etc?

http://encyclopediavirginia.org/Jefferson_Thomas_and_Books

Jefferson was admitted to the Virginia bar in 1767 and was elected to represent Albemarle County in the House of Burgesses the following year. As a practicing lawyer and lawmaker, Jefferson found himself at the center of Virginia politics. The overwhelming majority of histories and legal authorities that Jefferson read and consulted held up as the historic ideal the mythic Anglo-Saxon democracy in England prior to the Norman invasion of 1066: a society governed by an elected monarch and a popular assembly, where land-tenure systems were not controlled by any one sovereign or government. Enlightenment philosophers also looked to the golden age of Athens and republican Rome for guidance in their quest for ideas and solutions in facing issues of freedom and self-government. In addition to Greek and Roman historians such as Tacitus and Thucydides, Jefferson also valued the study of modern history, particularly French and British, in addressing the contemporary political and social issues of his time.

It just doesn't seem right to me that the Greeks and the Romans would have such a direct contribution towards self-governance among Europeans and their descendants. Their influence from a removed, academic, "who should I study when making a government" point of reference is undeniable, but I can't help but think that if there wasn't some organic inclination towards self-governance that burbled up through the centuries, things wouldn't be the same.

Basically, the story we learn in school is "The Greeks invented Democracy and the Romans kinda-sorta tried to refine it. Then we decided it would be fun to try, for realsies this time." I'm sure the old Anglo-Saxon tribes have far less influence than white-supremacists might like to think (Enlightenment thought and other factors were kind of a big deal), but I'm also sure the actual influence of those traditions is more than is commonly acknowledged (for fear of stoking the fires of ethnic exceptionalism).

EDIT: If you're wondering what promoted me to ask this question, I subscribe to an email newsletter of sorts on the classical world and the last one had a lengthy article on the Battle of Marathon. Discussions of it, and similar events tend of overemphasize the influence of Greco-Roman forms of government to the western traditions of self-governance, so i was considering other contributing factors. I'd always wondered about this, but it wasn't until now that I've joined Reddit that I realized I know a place where these questions get answered!

Aerandir

Rather than looking at historical 'tribal structures' of the peoples you mentioned, it would make more sense to look at traditional village structure in Northern Europe from a more distanced perspective. The basic principles of land use rights and village inheritance law had hardly changed since the Iron Age up to the Enclosures of the late 18th century in Britain (and the creation of modern economies elsewhere). Traditional concepts like shared land managed collectively by the village, and inheritance based on ancestral claims, dictate lots of petty politics in the majority of society. In such a 'primitive democracy', exact spheres of influence are sharply defined by custom, and together with a system of inheritance that divides up the land rights of the parents among the children this prevents the accumulation of power in one individual. These anti-authoritarian (on the surface, and in theory, of course) communities can still be observed in the more rural parts of Northern Europe.

It is this traditional system of land division that is repeatedly attacked by outside forces (and has to adapt to historical circumstances) over history. When William invaded England, for example, he had to make concessions to the representatives of this local power system in some areas (like Kent), but used his military power to break down the system and impose his own in other areas (like Northumbria). Similarly, while during the Medieval period the aristocracy and the church was largely content with levying taxes and leases from a largely independent village structure, it had to resort to using the force of the new nation-state to break down this ownership structure in the Early Modern period. In this context, traditional power structures become attractive for American revolutionaries interested in primitive autarky, as the struggle between aristocracy and peasantry was still very much ongoing in this same period.

alriclofgar

This is an interesting question.

Most of what we know about Germanic 'democracy' comes from a Roman historian, Tacitus, who describes them as egalitarian, freedom-loving, etc. Historians accepted Tacitus' descriptions as accurate for a long time, but recently have begun to question the text. The current consensus is that Tacitus was actually not particularly interested in how German society was structured, but was instead making a point about how degenarate his own ROMAN society was by saying, 'look at the barbarians, they have no civilization, but even THEY can figure out how to be free and moral and democratic. Why can't WE?' This means that many of the 'democratic' virtues ascribed to Germanic people were actually pieces of Roman, not Germanic, society that Tacitus ascribed to the barbarians for rhetorical effect. (See Krebs, A Most Dangerous Book, for more on the fascinating history of how Tacitus has been misunderstood for 400+ years).

The early Anglo-Saxon laws, which survive only from the late 6th or early 7th century, are very different from Roman laws, but they're mostly a set of fines the guilty party must pay for murdering or injuring someone. Institutions like the witan emerge later, and it's difficult to connect them to ancient anglo-saxon traditions, because most of what historians thought they knew about those traditons came from tacitus (who, like i said, was actually talking about roman society and projecting it onto the germanic tribes).

The big issue here is that, while kinds of democracy show up at different points at different times in history, those points don't always evolve out of deep traditions. Rather, they emerge from long chains of events which might not have much to do with democratic traditions to begin with. In England, the monarchy's need for tax revenue to fight the hundred years' war meant the king had to tax other powerful, important people, and that required their consent (via parliament), since the king was too weak to force them to pay. That eventually became the democratic system england has today, as other important groups were given representation to encourage their cooperation.

So where do the Greeks and Romans come in? Ideas (like democracy) can do two things, often at the same time. They can justify actions and events that are already happening (like when the american revolutionaries called George III a tyrant, evoking the shared memory - for everyone who had read Livy- of how the romans overthrew their tyrants and set up a republic, in order to give their rebellion more legitimacy). But they can also shape the direction those events take (like when polybius' description of roman government was used as a model for the american system). Usually both processes happen together: people reach for things from the past to justify their actions in the present, and these things from the past influence and shape people's actions, even if there was no direct evolutionary link between the two events. The fact that the founders read the classics, and looked to the romans for inspiration, was enough for them to model a society after their ideas (and people accepted it because they, too, probably knew a lot more about the roman and greek systems than they did about the anglo-saxons).

The interest in anglo-saxon law and society only really took off in the 19th century. The chief reason was that few scholars had studied the old english texts before the 19th century; but that changed in the 19th c, as a result of the growing interest across europe in national origin stories. By the end of the 19th century, hundreds of thousands of histories of anglo-saxon england had been sold to english school children, and americans like henry adams were writing eagerly about america's supposed anglo-saxon legal heritage.

But american democracy didn't evolve directly from greece/rome or the anglo-saxons. Rather, it emerged from the historical circumstances that led up to the revolution in england's late medieval and early modern periods, and used the older 'democratic' systems as a source of inspiration and legitimation for the new government. It used a system that educated people understood to create something new.