Is it at all true that women in America were going to be given the right to vote without feminists fighting for it?

by ipeeoncats

Towards the end of this video Karen Straughan makes some claims I have never heard before but can't find any quality sources to either support or refute.

To summarize her points she says that

  • Suffragettes were a distinctively separate group of the suffragist movement which was resented by the suffrage movement at large

  • Politicians in the UK would have given women the vote regardless of whether the suffrage movement was active. "I absolutely know that with or without the suffragettes the franchise would have expanded."

  • women didn't want the vote because it would they were afraid that it would press them into the draft.

  • Women were key in the abolitionist and prohibitionist movements in America. They could protest to make their voices heard.

  • The right to vote is tied to the draft for men, but women can vote just because they can.

Is any of this grounded in fact. I know that her point about women's role in the abolitionist and prohibitionist movements certainly rings true.

ibbity

I believe I know the video in question. /r/badhistory did a debunking of it a while back. Karen Straughn is a known historical revisionist and inventor of spurious "facts" in order to promote a somewhat peculiar social agenda...I wouldn't trust anything she put out, honestly.

chuckjustice

The right to vote is tied to the draft for men, but women can vote just because they can.

Karen Straughan isn't big on facts in general, but this is kind of just flatly untrue. If the right to vote was tied to the draft for men, then men who were ineligible to be drafted due to physical disability, having dependents to support, or being too old wouldn't be eligible to vote either

There've been a lot of onerous requirements for voting in the US, but the ability to be a soldier has never been one of them as far as I'm aware