Prof Sacha Stern (UCL): there has never been a Jewish Exile out of Palestine in the last 2000 years.

by tatmail

Statement made in this short clip (3 minutes):

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Is there any evidence either side to the statement he makes?

We know the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans and they forbid Jews from entering. However did Jews in fact leave Palestine as a result in any great numbers(Exile)?

Edit:

There seems to be a debate more on semantics of what the video says than if anyone can actually provide evidence. Here is a transcript below for every one to read.

Transcript below for everyone to read:

Its pretty clear he was answering a question about Exile. The whole debate is about EXILE. He uses the word Expelled in the same answer. Anyone reading it in context can see that he is using Expelled and Exile interchangeably. Everyone seems to be debating semantics and no one is providing external evidence.

https://vimeo.com/78858757

Start at @ 28:50 minutes

Host: ... that exile has been a recurring theme certainly in Jewish biblical history.

Sacha: Yes it certainly has. One of the things you try to do in this film is to debunk as it were the myth of exile and you are quite right to emphasis that there was actually no evidence of actual exile of jews out of Palestine as a result of the destruction of the temple and this is something which has been widely known but at the same time it seems to me that exile is not just a concept, not just a narrative for Jews or in the context of Jewish history because even if its true that the Jews were not expelled ever from Palestine I think thats probably correct certainly in the last 2000 years there were plenty of evictions and other forced wanderings on the Jewish communities of Europe....

iHistorian

The clip cuts Stern off mid-sentence. That's a red flag that shows the video editor has an ulterior agenda. Furthermore, the next segment of the clip is actually a segment that came much earlier in the original video and was not in the same context as the segment it had been joined to in the clip.

All three scholars in that debate agree that there is insufficient archaeological evidence of mass migration out of the region in the 1st Century CE; however they all agree that in the 2nd Century CE, archaeological evidence implies that there was an internal migration in the region: Judea underwent a depopulation as Galilee saw an increase in population. They all agreed (including the filmmaker) that there is no point in trying to specify numbers for these migrations. Stern stated that there is no archaeological evidence of any major migration out of the region. However, the other two scholars did not agree that insufficient archaeological evidence is a conclusive proof that there were never migrations out of the region in those periods. In fact, one of the scholars actively argues that circumstantial evidence (like the large scale destruction of towns and villages) implies that there must have been some external migration, not just internally.

Here is the full video: https://vimeo.com/78858757

LegalAction

As far as following the destruction of the temple in 70 AD is concerned, it seems unlikely that there was any total expulsion of the Jews from Palestine. The OCD under the entry "Jews" mentions a continuation of Jewish cult on the island of [misread that entirely] Jamnia, [an enclave on the Judaean coast].

The OCD also mentions revolts in 115, 132, another under Antoninus Pius, and one under Septimius Severus.

It also mentions continued construction of synagogues throughout Galilee in the 2nd and 3rd centuries (then Judaea had been assimilated into the province of Syria). I suppose it's possible that Jews were completely expelled from Palestine and returned for these repeated rebellions and construction of synagogues, but that seems extremely unlikely.

One of the respondents your video includes objects to the use of Josephus as evidence for expulsion of Jews only from Jerusalem as a sort of re-imagination of Jewish history, however Josephus can't explain later expulsions of Jews from Jerusalem specifically.

That gets you into the late Empire, as far as Jewish activity in Palestine. Someone familiar with Late Antiquity want to pick it up here?

EDIT: After seeing the full version of the video /u/iHistorian provided, I agree that the OP's clip misrepresents Stern's position. The conversation is not one about any exile out of Palestine in the last 2000 years, but specifically about the events regarding the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70, and much of the argument has to do with the definitions of the terms Exile, Judaism, and History, and almost none of my comment here addresses the actual discussion Stern was participating in.