I don't believe the Titanic/Olympic switch conspiracy, but I need some information to debunk the "evidence" put forward by people who do

by a1thirteen

Link to picture showing "evidence" that the Titanic and Olympic ships were actually switched at some point and it was the Olympic which is resting at the bottom of the sea - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17155&d=1341044861

This is pretty much the only thing I have ever come across which appears to be real evidence and not something anecdotal or just plainly erroneous. So what exactly have they got wrong here?

Any other "evidence" debunking will be very much appreciated, as I know there is a lot out there.

Thanks.

PainInTheAssInternet

Ugh. This image. I'll try to make this as short as possible.

They have the ships reversed. If you're not aware of this, you may also not be aware of one of the biggest points against the theory; Titanic had significant upgrades over her elder sister, particularly on B-Deck. To illustrate what I'm talking about, I will ironically use a few images from that same forum.

http://www.paullee.com/titanic/olympice3.jpg

The image above is taken from Dr. Paul Lee's internet page on the subject found here.

http://www.paullee.com/titanic/switch.html

It shows the significant differences visible from the outside between Titanic and Olympic in 1912. Notice that the features highlighted on Titanic are the ones found on the wreck.

During Olympic's early career, they noticed that the open B-Deck promenade was not being used. As a result, they changed it on Titanic to include a Cafe Parisien, an extension of the A La Carte restaurant and the famed Millionaire Suites. This resulted in the irregular window configuration present on Titanic's wreck. Olympic didn't receive these upgrades until Titanic was gone, and the window configuration is still noticeably different. (Beveridge, Hall. pg 45, 171-172)

B-Deck differences between the two vessels.

http://www.paullee.com/titanic/b_deck_comp.jpg

Olympic before April/May 1912.

http://www.julesverne.ca/images/olympic_titanic/olympice.jpg

Titanic April 1912.

http://cdn7.tweepins.com/uploads/2015/09/21011601/foto-del-titanic-real.png

Olympic post-Titanic and pre-1912/1913 refit.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/29_olympic_1922.jpg

Olympic post 1912/1913 refit.

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/Oly%20from%20LS_23.jpg

Olympic being scrapped alongside Mauretania (sister ship of Lusitania), 1935.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Olympic_and_Mauretania.jpg

Note that Olympic never got her A-Deck promenade enclosed.

Here's another image from earlier.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=17146&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1423606209

It should be noted that both the images are of Titanic. The one on top is Titanic on her maiden voyage on April 10, 1912 while the one on the bottom is her during her launch on May 31, 1911. You can even see that her funnels and bridge are not installed. This beautifully illustrates the changes Titanic underwent during those 10 months.

Here's a great resource on debunking this theory.

"Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? The Truth Behind the Conspiracy" by Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=uic7AwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=titanic+or+olympic+Which+Ship+sank&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=titanic%20or%20olympic%20Which%20Ship%20sank&f=false

thepioneeringlemming

the fact that two huge liners would have to switch moorings, with all their crews and all the dock workers being trusted not to let the cat out the bag should be enough.

The number of people sworn to secrecy would be immense, two whole crews, plus dockside workers. Its just ridiculous, its almost 2000 people (crew of the Titanic and Olympic were both c. 900, plus a unknown but probably quite high number of dockworkers)