AskHistorians Podcast 077 - The End of World War One in the Middle East, Part 2

by 400-Rabbits

Episode 77 is up!

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This Episode:

The conversation with /u/CptBuck continues as we move south from Anatolia and the new state of Turkey into the regions of Mesopotamia, Syria, and the Levant. The politics and conflicts which led to the borders and formation of the modern states of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Israel/Palestine are all discussed, as well as a quick digression into Egypt. We end with a discussion on whether the borders of these nations predestined them for future conflicts. (60mins)

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Special thanks to Eric Hacke, Will Raybould, Elm, Jonathan Wallace, Charles-Eric Lemelin, Andrew Stead, William Ryan, Stuart Gorman, Daniel Schmidt, Bill Rubin, Sarah Gilbert, Vlad, and Max M. for their generous support of the podcast through the AskHistorians Patreon. And thanks to all our new supporters as well!

And a big big thanks to /u/cptbuck for tackling this issue!

CptBuck

Thanks again /u/400-Rabbits. Unfortunately I'm at work at the moment and hopping on a plane later tonight but I'll try to get in a reply with corrections and addenda later today or tomorrow morning as well as some links to sources and images and the like, and will be happy to answer any follow-up questions anyone might have to the best that I can!

Spartan_079

Oh, excellent. I really enjoyed Part 1, so I'll listen to this on the drive to work tomorrow.

I'll leave my questions about the topic itself until I've listened to both parts, but on a related note, /u/CptBuck I was wondering if you had noticed a difference between Arab studies in the US and the UK. Was there a difference in mainstream views, approaches, and thinking between the two countries? It always seemed to me that the way the Foreign Office and the State Department approached things displayed a divergent view of Arab states, and how to deal with them, and I wondered if that was reflective of each countries universities.

Elm11

Wonderful, thank you so much to both of you! This two-parter has been absolutely fascinating, and I really appreciate the work you've put in!

10z20Luka

Hello! I'm not sure if this question makes much sense, but throughout much of my University education, I've heard the repeated rhetoric of "European powers drew lines in the sand without consideration of which peoples lived where."

I understand that you touch on this near the end, and broadly reject the notion that a firmer demographic homogeneity in the burgeoning new states would have made any difference. But I still don't have a firm grasp on addressing the theme as I hear it in academia, exclusively from academics not trained in the region. Were men such as Sykes and Picot aware of the demographic realities on the ground? Did they take those into consideration?

If there are any good posts on askhistorians which deal with this theme of which you know of, please point me in that direction. Thank you for the great podcast.

wizzyhatz

Awesome stuff! Thanks to the both of you for a fantastic pair of episodes

hamiltonincognito

I just listened to this 2nd part and I must say, congratulations on such an. Interesting podcast and hosts.. It was so interesting from pt1 to pt2.
Thank you!

Slashenbash

Just wanted to say these two parts were really illuminating, thank you.

elementarymydear

Hey guys, really good double episode, and so glad CptBuck was happy to do the podcast.

Growing up, I've known people from what you often referred to as "Greater Syria" as "شاميين" "Shame'een", how did they identify themselves?

Also, from a book I read by Madawi, its my understanding that the British government were aiding Abdul-Aziz bin Saud financially.
Did the British not see him as a threat to the Shereif of Mecca?

You very briefly touched on the gulf states, but is there a rough idea what kind of outcome they were hoping for, or had they already created their rough boarders and were content with those?