Why did the Red Army suffer such high casualties late in WW2 when they had developed better tactics?

by Logern5

The Red Army in WW2 was notorious for having extremely high losses. Early in the war, the high losses were explained by the shock of the invasion, little training, suicidal frontal assaults, and bad leadership decimated by the purges. But later in the war these problems were solved, yet the Soviets still suffered heavy losses. For example:

Battle of Kiev (1943): German losses=5,230 KIA from original strength 70,000 Soviet losses=6,491 KIA from original strength 200,000

Battle of the Korsun–Cherkassy Pocket (1944) German losses=30,000 casualties from original strength of 140,000 Soviet losses=79,000 from original strength of 336,700

Operation Bagration (1944): German losses=300,000-500,000 casualties from original strength of 1,036,760 Soviet losses=770,888 casualties from original strength of 2,331,700

Battle of Narva (1944) (German victory) German losses=68,000 casualties from original strength of 123,541 Soviet losses=480,000 casualties (!) from original strength of 200,000

Why did Soviet forces continue to suffer such high losses, even at the end of the war? Could it have been that the soldiers drank a lot (this was a problem in the Red Army)? Did they still use "human wave" frontal assaults?

Georgy_K_Zhukov

So I think that there are a few issues here. First, generally speaking, you should expect higher casualties from the force on the offensive. This didn't necessarily bear out in the early part of World War II, where the Soviets were suffering from just about every manner of problem you can think of, from logistics, to training, to leadership. In the latter part of the war though, with the Germans on the defensive, as you would generally expect, the defensive force was generally able to inflict higher casualties on the attacking force, especially in situations like the Battle of Narva which were conducted on a rather narrow, easily defended front.

Now, more far importantly though, while you are focusing on a few specific battles, on the whole, the Soviets were taking less casualties in the latter part of the war, when viewed overall, instead of a few snapshots here and there. Here are the Red Army Loses by Quarter from the beginning of the war till the end. The numbers are taken from the appendix of David M. Glantz and Jonathan House's "When Titans Clashed", but the percentages are what I got from plugging the numbers into an excel sheet.

Quarter Strength KIA WIA-MIA Total Losses KIA Rate WIA-MIA Rate Loss Rate
1941, 3d Quarter 3,334,000 2,067,801 676,964 2,744,765 0.620216257 0.20304859 0.823264847
1941, 4th Quarter 2,818,500 926,002 637,327 1,563,329 0.328544261 0.22612276 0.554667021
1942, 1st Quarter 4,186,000 619,167 1,172,274 1,791,441 0.14791376 0.280046345 0.427960105
1942, 2d Quarter 5,060,300 776,578 702,150 1,478,728 0.153464814 0.138756595 0.29222141
1942, 3d Quarter 5,664,600 1,141,991 1,276,810 2,418,801 0.201601349 0.225401617 0.427002966
1942, 4th Quarter 6,343,600 455,800 936,031 1,391,831 0.071851945 0.147555174 0.219407119
1943, 1st Quarter 5,892,800 656,403 1,421,140 2,077,543 0.11139068 0.24116549 0.35255617
1943, 2d Quarter 6,459,800 125,172 471,724 596,896 0.01937707 0.073024552 0.092401622
1943, 3d Quarter 6,816,800 694,465 2,053,492 2,747,957 0.101875513 0.301239878 0.403115391
1943, 4th Quarter 6,387,200 501,087 1,560,164 2,061,251 0.078451747 0.244264153 0.322715901
1944, 1st Quarter 6,268,600 470,392 1,565,431 2,035,823 0.075039403 0.249725776 0.324765179
1944, 2d Quarter 6,447,000 251,745 956,828 1,208,573 0.039048395 0.148414456 0.187462851
1944, 3d Quarter 6,714,300 430,432 1,541,965 1,972,397 0.064106757 0.229653873 0.29376063
1944, 4th Quarter 6,770,100 259,766 1,026,645 1,286,411 0.038369596 0.151643993 0.190013589
1945, 1st Quarter 6,461,100 468,407 1,582,517 2,050,924 0.072496479 0.244929965 0.317426444
1945, 2d Quarter 6,135,300 163,226 609,231 772,457 0.026604404 0.099299301 0.125903705

So what I hope this illustrates here is that contrary to the impression you have from a few battles here and there, the trend for the Red Army in terms of loss rate was on a generally downward trajectory.