Question regarding the Holocaust Timeline. Specially regarding the dehumanizing of Jews and other "undesirables"

by Chathtiu

Recent national comments regarding the use of poison gas has made me start to think more specifically about World War II and concentration/work/death camps.

When the Nazi's started their rule in the 1930s, they systemically began stripping away rights and privileges from the German Jew population. Where any of these laws also intended to apply towards other minorities? I.e., Gypsies, homosexuals, Bolsheviks?

At the time of mass killings in Russia and other conquered territories, were Jews in Germany (and other occupied regions) considered German Nationals?

When individuals were sent to the camps as a punitive measure (for example, Gottfried Graf von Bismarck-Schönhausen) would the individual lose their citizenship?

steellord321

Yeah, Berlin had a thriving gay scene before the nazis. But of course Jews were a bigger "threat" because they were much greater in number, more visible, and were blamed for the economic profiteering (same with bolsheviks considered economic threat). Also there had been anti semitism in germany for centuries, long before homosexuality was understood. So the floodgates to persecution took off later, as advisors to hitler who were gay lost influence. By 1933, they shut down clubs, gay publications, and destroyed the institute for sex research. Thus in the 1934 "night of the long knives" included in the crackdown of hitler's former inner circle was included Rohm and the official excuse in order to placate the SA was that Rohm was gay. I think it's also telling that Rohm's only defenders argued that the charges were made up by jews. None said he and other homosexuals didn't deserve such cruelty, and both were seen as equally enemies to the aryan race. In fact, homophobia was arguably more deeply rooted the world over, as homosexuals were the only group to not receive an official apology and the sodomy laws remained until 1970. Many gay holocaust survivors were simply thrown back into a regular jail. Consequently, they also had the lowest survival rate in the camps, as they were treated most brutally by fellow inmates and guards. There was also experimentation such as hormone injections and castration used in effort to change their sexuality, but this went nowhere

The 2nd reich actually had such laws going back to 1870, well before the nazis, but they became more enforced when the nazis took power and over 100,000 were arrested, some just because they subscribed to the gay publications. Part of the reason they were enforced before is the police could rarely prove the sex actually happened, but the nazis just said to hell with all law, we're in charge now and without even passing a new law, "paragraph 175" became enforced as they saw fit. Now love letters or a report from neighbors with a grudge became sufficient to be hauled off to concentration camps

Some persecution was new to naziism in the idea of genetic 'purity' - this idea that traits like judaism and even physical handicap were inherited. They were also just brutal and considered any 'undesirable' as a drain on society, even if they never reproduced. However, homosexuality was thought of by the whole world as a breakdown in social order. They might look at say Kinsey's conclusions of 10%, as Himmler did, as evidence that it was a 'plague' that could wipe out the whole race via non reproduction

As for your citizenship questions, yes the Jews were stripped of citizenship, but political dissidents and such, i don't know