In the recent visit that Trump, Melania and their daughter Ivanka made to Vatican City State, we were able to see mother and daughter wearing black, as only Catholic queens are allowed to wear white while in a visit to the Pope. What are the origins of this tradition and why was it created?

by frasier_crane
hermyown21

Further to OP's question, have there ever been any serious implications for that rule being flouted in the past? Or is it just 'frowned upon'?

Knubinator

As another add on: Are/were there any rules to how Kings should dress? Or would their normal court attire be enough?

Hdkek

Another question is how does one earn the title "Catholic queen" I googled it but nothing came up.

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