Now and then, we like to host 'Floating Features', periodic threads intended to allow for more open discussion. For obvious reasons, a certain AH rule will be waived in this thread.
The Game of Thrones showrunners' decision to craft an alternate-history TV show based on the premise that the Confederacy won the U.S. Civil War and black Confederates are enslaved today met with a...strong reaction...from the Internet. Whatever you think about the politics--for us as historians, this is lazy and uncreative.
So:
What jumping-off point in history would make a far better TV series, and what might the show look like?
No Contact. For whatever reason, Europeans do not encounter the New World in the 15th century. Native American polities continue to advance and organize along indigenous lines, especially after the invention of a kind of printing press for Mayan script spreads literacy (based primarily on Mayan script). Clashes lead to the development of confederations of city-state polities and increasingly sophisticated technologies of war. The series itself is set in local equivalent to the late 1600s in the cosmopolitan New Cahokia, with a Game of Thrones-ish clash as the resurgent Aztec Empire moves northward - but the discovery of how to smelt iron in equivalent-Minnesota may be a game-changer - if the Cahokians can ally together and realize this new technology before it's too late.
Empire: The world is shocked. Napoleon succeeded at Waterloo, Wellington flees to the Netherlands while the rest of Europe is in shock. Rather than pushing the offensive to defeat the preparing Russian and Prussian armies, Napoleon sues for peace and sends Michel Ney to Vienna in order to work with the Congress of Vienna to integrate a new and restrained Napoleonic France. Considering that the Congress of Vienna was little more than a series of parties with diplomatic happenings in the background, it would fit well in a HBO/STARS network.
Season One: Ney et al. would be set with making a new deal with Metternich to allow Napoleonic France to keep it's 1792 borders while abandoning any claim to the Spanish, Italian, Neapolitan, and Dutch thrones. There is a side plot where Napoleon aggressive pushes for the investigation of the death of Marshal Berthier who fell out of a window in his estate; Napoleon swears that it is an assassination but slowly finds out that Berthier (his Chief of Staff and essential to his success since his first Italian campaign) committed suicide rather than return to his side.
Season Two: Napoleon's family members chafe at the restricted and smaller Empire than Napoleon had at his height. The Marshalate grow bored with the peace while the people are glad. Trade returns to France and fills the French coffers for the first time since 1804, what will Napoleon do with these new found riches?
Season Three: Napoleon returns to looking at expanding his Empire. He looks to return France back to the New World and invades Haiti while making diplomatic overtures to buy the Tejas and California regions of North America. Britain and America find friendship in a common foe while Spain is desperate for funds to help prop up their ailing Empire.
Season Four: Invasion, Spain is bought out by Britain to not sell her remaining North American lands and Napoleon sails for the New World. Napoleon pushes into Haiti and easily defeats the Spanish in New Spain. America grows worried while Spain counter invades France with British financial assistance. America attacks Napoleon's new conquest with assistance from a British expeditionary force.
Season Five: A Coup hits France while Napoleon is stuck in the Americas, a Royalist group is able to take hold of the Chamber of Peers (kept as part of a peace agreement in Season One) and restore the Bourbons to a Constitutional Monarchy. Napoleon fights a series of battles against the Anglo-American army, barely winning and ensuring a peace. Last couple of episodes involved with peace talks between Spain, America, and Britain.
Season Six (Final Season): Napoleon looks back at France, his throne is taken by the incompetent Louis XVIII. With fresh troops from the seized regions of New France while he works with Britain to keep them out of the war. Further help is requested from Austria, which whom Napoleon is still tied to by marriage of Marie Louise (the daughter of Franz I, Emperor of Austria). The entire campaign is plagued with Napoleon's own health issues, stomach cancer. Napoleon invades with promises of British non-involvement and an Austrian army in support. The series finale has a battle at Toulon where Napoleonic Forces meet the Royalist forces, a point of bitter sweetness as this is where Napoleon's fame started, Napoleon wins the battle and returns to his throne, a final shot with a haggard and exhausted Napoleon returning to Paris on horse, his commanders and army behind him.
"Missed Shot: The Assassinations that Didn't Happen" - Each episode or group of episodes can focus on one famous historical figure who was famously murdered, but then re-spin the world to see what it would look like otherwise. Off the top of my head the most fun to watch would be:
Julius Casear
Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand
A special two parter on JFK & RFK
It doesn't have to focus exclusively on political leaders and easily lends itself to going further afield with the alternative history - here's a few easy ones:
John Lenon lives to become a hugely influential political voice.
Martin Luther King Jr. lives long enough to see the first African American President.
All of these people had complex personal and professional lives which touched many in their own day and orders of magnitude more as history echo'ed.
I also feel like there's space in here for a "What If Fidel Castro was a better outfielder or Hitler was a better painter" but I'm not there yet.
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I spend most of my days thinking about the anti-war efforts in the War of 1812, and the number of sheer dumb-luck victories touted by the US afterward as strokes of providence.
So - what if the US decisively lost the War of 1812? One possibility would have created a sovereign Indian Nation, politically supported by Great Britain.
Another possibility: disunion. The Hartford Convention hinted at the possibility of northern states seceding, though it was never a serious threat. However, if the war dragged on or a few key victories turned to defeats? What would the continent have looked like with two American states, an Indian nation, and Britain once again in a leading position in North America?
So the show would posit that the US lost the Battle of Lake Erie, which meant that Wm Henry Harrison's army could not cross into Canada, and did not engage Tecumseh's forces at the Thames. Ten years on, the continent is fractured by political and economic rivalries, and Great Britain's interest in maintaining peace in North America is on the wane. How do the leaders of the Indian nation fare against the clarion call of American settler pressure? How does the economic interdependence of the northern and southern American states maintain a status quo? What does western expansion look like? How about Texan independence and Mexican sovereignty?
I'd primarily want to tell the story from the Native viewpoint, because I find the possibility of a sovereign Indian territorial state utterly fascinating, from internal politics (given that Indian political structures are non-coercive and cooperative, how would the pressures of maintaining a consistent political framework manifest?), to economics, down to things like fashion and culture. The ability to have prominent female leadership, too, would be a major element.
Other points of view would be had with white settlers, white immigrants to the native nation, and economic and political leaders on all sides.
The Sublime. The 1529 Siege of Vienna led by Suleiman the Magnificent results in an overwhelming Ottoman success. Charles V is captured and imprisoned at Suleiman's court.
Season 1: Suleiman revels in his victory and sets his sights on Prague. Pope Clement VII excommunicates Charles, leading to a crisis of his faith. Martin Luther treats with Ottoman envoys. Heyreddin Barbarossa, Sultan of Algiers, is emboldened and schemes against Spain.
Season 2: With Charles as a recent convert and newly-appointed general, the Ottoman Empire quickly expands across the Holy Roman Empire, effectively cutting it off at the Alps, and Charles gets as far as the Netherlands. Martin Luther is able to negotiate terms for the expansion of protestantism among the Catholic population via proselytizing--he forms a friendly rivalry with an influential imam. Barbarossa gains a foothold in Grenada but starts scheming against Suleiman, formulating a plan to strike out on his own in the New World.
Season 3: Suleiman's European expansion struggles in France--the Siege of Paris quickly becomes a costly quagmire. Martin Luther and Roxelana, Suleiman's wife, are the core of an embassy team sent to recruit Slavic princes in order to shore up a buffer zone between the Ottoman Empire and growing Russian tsardom. The Italian kingdoms start to unify under Rome. Barbarossa leads a night assault with some Barbary pirates and assassinates most of the Castilian Royal Council and royal family, but the real prize was the secret navigation logs and maps; leaving his son to continue to take Andalusia, he sails for New Spain.
I could keep going, but you get the idea.
It would be really like a show where the so called "business plot" actually happens and instantly throws the united States in a multi faction civil war. I can imagine people with a trade unionist and socialist tinge will fight a facist government, the anarachist going to max with bombings & assassins, and southern blacks having to form armed militias for there defense.
Then you would get a WW2 with America not being the factory for the Soviet Union and Britain. As well as most likely lossing the Asian theater quickly.
My mentor, a Swedish, communist folklorist (1899-2000) who was forced to flee Europe in 1939, told me once that before WWII he was speaking with a fascist folklorist from Germany who said "Oh but that Mithra had come north rather than Jesus." According to this folklorist, the feeling among the culturally-minded Nazi intelligentsia was apparently that some Christian themes were not in keeping with Hitler's vision for Germany and that Mithra would have better suited the Nazi ambition for the nation.
So the alternative history would deal with the question of what Germany in the 1930s and 1940s would have looked like if Mithraism was the dominant religion rather than Christianity.
The Divine Alexander
For whatever reason, Alexander the Great doesn't die on his return from the east. Instead, his advisers reign him in, and he settles down to the task of empire building. For the next fourty-three years, he rules over the mighty Macedonian empire, forging in into the strongest state the Ancient World has ever seen. Now, the Venerable Alexander is dead, and his children and lords have to try to keep the empire he forged together.
This would need a few things to go absolutely right, but what if North America stayed fractured by European powers? England in Newfoundland and the 13 Colonies, French in Eastern Canada and Louisiana, Spain in Florida and the American Southwest, and Russia in Alaska and the Northwest.
The show would have to take place in fairly recent times with appropriate speculation on how WWI, WWII and the Cold War would have taken place with this many competing powers. Would there have been more major battles on the continent? In our reality, North America was spared by most of the destruction of the Great Wars, how would that change when rival great powers now shared a common border in a second continent?
I want a show about Eugene V. Debs. This is what I want.
In case you have the misfortune to not know who this astonishing man was, he lived 1855-1926 and was crucial in the age when the U.S. was figuring out how to grapple with and reconcile industrialization, corporate capitalism, and democracy. He co-founded the labor union Industrial Workers of the World (IWW, or Wobblies), and earlier helped instigate the Pullman Strike in 1894, where federal troops were called to make the railroads run again and keep the US Postal Service going.
Perhaps EVEN MORE interestingly, he was a longtime political figure: while he was first elected to more minor positions as a Democrat, he later turned to international socialism and in many ways was the father of socialist political movements in America beginning in the 1890s. As a socialist, he ran for President of the US five times and once for congress representing Indiana. He won over 6% of the popular vote in 1912! When he denounced the U.S. entry into WW1, Debs was jailed under the Sedition Act of 1918; he rain again for President from prison in 1930 and won close to a MILLION votes. FROM PRISON. His sentence was commuted in 1921, but he died only a few years later from health problems tracing to his time in prison.
In the twenty-first century, the U.S. again grapples with corporate capitalism, labor strife, international military conflicts, political censorship, and fears of executive overreach. At the same time, socialism has entered the respectable political mainstream once again (through Bernie Sanders, who cites Debs as a crucial inspiration to him) as a possible solution to the various ills America faces. What better historical way to explore all these issues than through the life of a man who represents a 'path not taken' and who attracted national political support a century ago when we were also grappling with these questions???
La Malinche! Malinalli, Cortes's historical mistress and informant, turns out to be an Aztec spy. The show follows her as she systematically dismantles the expedition and helps the Aztecs organize a formal defense against the colonists.
How about just making an adaptation of Fire on the Mountain? A show that flashes between John Brown and Harriet Tubman winning at Harper's ferry and then launching a successful guerrilla war against slavery and a (maybe 1970s?) "present" where the Republic of Nova Africa (the former american south) is sending the first manned mission to Mars.
Handmaiden's Tail has shown that weird lefty sci-fi books can be made into successful TV shows, I feel like Fire on the Mountain could be next.
King John of England doesn't die in 1216, instead he lives for another 5 years, before he is captured, imprisoned and murdered in mysterious circumstances by a coalition of rebellious forces and their newly declared king, Louis I of England, son of the French King Phillip. The show is set both in Louis' new court at Winchester, where we follow the French prince's struggles to bring the restive English barons into line, as well as following the teenaged Henry, Lord of Ireland, desperate to gather enough allies and resources to win back his father's throne.
HBO, if you're looking for someone to write/produce the next GoT-style hit, hmu.
Downfall: In an alternate timeline, the Japanese military coup following the bombing of Nagasaki is successful, and Japan refuses to surrender even after we drop a third bomb. This prompts the US to execute Operation Downfall, the plan for the invasion of mainland Japan, a battle of a scale that's almost unimaginable. Causality estimates for the US were around a million, and up to 20 million for the Japanese. Every Purple Heart the US military has given out in every conflict from the end of WW2 to the present day was minted in anticipation of that conflict, and we still have not used up the stockpile. We planned to save all the rest of the nukes we produced for the invasion, and would have around a dozen ready to deploy.
If the show has legs, later seasons would have the Soviets enter the picture, with the Cold War threatening to turn hot almost as soon as it had begun.
For whatever reason the Germanic and Scandinavian pagans are never made Christian's.
Two ideas for the story.
First idea
The show takes place in 1100 AD. After the success of the First Crusade Pope Urban calls a second Crusade to remove the pagans for every. All of Scandinavia is pagan as well as the north of Britain. The English King still Wars with the descendants of Ragnar Lothbrok for control of all England, the wars have mostly been over what used to be Mercia. What is now Germany is less war prone than England but there are constant skirmishes and raiders by both sides.
Second Idea
Modern day but because of the constant religious wars Europe still has the mind set of the Middle Ages except both sides have modern military equipment.
So
VIKINGS WITH GUNS.
I have always been really fascinated with what might have happened if Arthur Tudor hadn't died young. We just don't know as much about him as Henry VIII, for obvious reasons, so there's so much scope for the imagination there. For sure it would have changed the way the Reformation happened in Great Britain, and of course none of the monarchs after Arthur would have been the same.
The show would have Arthur and Catherine as a happily married, faithful couple - but with the same fertility/miscarriage/childhood mortality problems as Henry and Catherine in the OTL, as well as the same daughter, because I say so. This doesn't bother Arthur too much, though, because his younger brother, Henry, Duke of York, is also married, though less happily and faithfully, and it's likely that one of them might have a male heir. There would be a lot of political drama, and at the end of the first season there's a crisis where it looks like Arthur is about to die (only he doesn't). This turns Henry onto actually wanting the throne in S2, which Catherine is 100% against and very vigilant about, although Arthur has a hard time believing her because he's always been pretty idealistic. Henry either poisons his wife or takes advantage of her convenient death and marries Anne Boleyn (would have to figure out why she marries him, since in this timeline he's not king and can't mess up her life), so that Elizabeth can happen. Anne also brings in Reformation ideas, and Henry works out how he can use this new form of religion to bolster his own power.
Goodbye Manzikert:
As a history buff, its way too easy to become an obsessive fanboy of the Byzantine Empire. Let's turn things on their heads. It would be wonderful to have a nuanced story about a revanchist, even fascist Byzantine Empire dealing brutally with its long-term enemy, political Islam. Instead of losing against the Seljuk Turks in 1071, let's have the Greeks get stronger. A storyline of modern religious war similar to Belisarius' run in Africa and Italy might occur in Syria and Egypt. Drama would ensue amidst dialogue regarding legitimacy, rights of conquest, faith, prejudice, and waging wars for the crimes of 1000 years ago. The pent up frustration of a defensive empire finally counter attacking against an often cruel foe turned underdog defender would escalate into an interesting moral situation.
But if you thought the twitter wars were fierce for Confederate, they'd be horrific for this show.
Manhattan. An alternate history where Albert Einstein witnesses the Trinity test, and in a pang of conscience, sabotages the Manhattan Project. The nuclear bomb is never developed, and the show follows Einstein as he flees the country and gets tangled up in international espionage while the war comes to a close in very different circumstances. Supporting characters: Soviet nuclear spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
Akechi Mitsuhide successfully kills Oda Nobunaga and his heir Oda Nobutada as in history. However:
Hideyoshi is pinned between the Mori and Mitsuhide. Nobunaga's surviving sons fight over control of Owari and Mino. Tokugawa is lead by an 8 year old. Kai and Shinano are leaderless. Shibata is pinned between the Uesugi and Mitsuhide. Date, Mogami, Uesugi, Mori, Hōjō, Chosokabe, and Shimazu all have much more freedom to expand without pressure from the center.
What will be the future of Japan?!
Featuring political intrigues, alliances and breaking alliances, backstabbing, assassinations, marriages, hostages, and lots and lots of war.
A tv show adaptation of the great world of Kaiserreich!
Earth and Water.
One day in September, 480 B.C., on the plains of Sicily and the straits of Salamis, Greek liberty is extinguished. With the Allied fleet destroyed, Athens razed, and the Peloponnese no longer defensible, the Greek cities have no choice but to offer tribute of earth and water to the Great King.
Meanwhile, in Sicily, the destruction of Syracuse's army on the banks of the Himera touches off a new struggle that will define the coming centuries. Gelo of Syracuse had sent a token force to aid the Greek cities against the Persian invasion, with instructions to offer submission in case of Persian victory. When Hamilcar the Magonid pursued Gelo to the gates of Syracuse, he had unwittingly attacked a city under the protection of the Great King. Taking his mantle as the new protector of the Greeks seriously, fearing renewed revolt, Xerxes dispatches a fleet to bring money beyond imagining to beleaguered Syracuse.
The series follows the ongoing struggle between the two great empires, drawing in peoples from India to Spain, from Ethiopia to Gaul; in the courts of the Great King and the suffete of Carthage, in their fleets and armies, in sumptuous estates where any meal could be your last, and on the bloody sun baked streets where the masses raise and depose canny politicians. Even as the two empires struggle for world supremacy, there are still Greeks who dream of restoring their independence, and of winning empires of their own.
Instead of abandoning North America, Norse colonizers remain and expand further into the continent, eventually forming the independent Kingdom of Vinland which retains its Norse warrior culture well into the Middle Ages. The kingdom rejects Christianity, returning to traditional Norse religion, and becomes isolated from Europe.
The story is set in the 13th century, during the latest bloody war between Vinland the surrounding Native American tribes. The protagonist is a Vinlandic ex-bandit (Played by Hugh Jackman!) who journeys to Vinland to find the leader of the bandit group he used to fight alongside, but whose tactics became too brutal for Jackman. He does so at the behest of the King of Vinland, who promises to reward his family - who are kept under close guard in the Vinlandic capital - but also severe punishment to them should he fail or choose to escape. Jackman must travel through the wartorn Vinland and cold wilderness of North America, alongside a Native American deserter whom he befriends on the way.
The show will have a vaguely wild-west feel to it, but set in north-eastern Canada. Think Game of Thrones/Vikings hybrid, with some Native American action on the side.
There's a great comic called Ministry of Space
It's basically what would happen if, at the end of WW2, Great Britain made a concentrated effort to acquire all the german rocket scientists, and focused on rebuilding Britain as a world power.
Excellent story with a well-done twilight zone ending.
Mother of Fire. The volcanoes around the Pacific Rim are tremendously more active than they are in our world. Nobody has ever made it past the ring into the Pacific proper, until sailing ships in the 15C. Finally, a brave explorer sails the dangerous strait that is the only entry past the volcanoes. The ship explores the open ocean, and comes to a continent where Hawaii is now. It is full of dinosaur men, who evolved separately and have Iron Age tech. More importantly, their physiology renders them immune to European diseases.
It would be even cooler if the human society was matriarchal, so we could have swashbuckling girl pirates facing off against dinosaur people.
America doesn't become independent but actually gets the British empire to federate. Does the British empire go on to unite the world through politics and conquest? Internal politics would also be very interesting as members of the House of Lords and the House of Commons would consist of representatives from across the far flung British empire
Rome
What if the greatest empire ever built, never fell?
Find out this Fall...
An alternate history I'm interested in seeing (though it would probably be better off in a game) would be if Operation Hush, a planned British landing in Flanders in 1917, had taken place. Hush called for the landing of a British division, supported by tanks, from giant pontoons pushed by monitors. They would have been landed in the area around Ostend, and would likely have achieved surprise - the beach was covered by a 30ft seawall, and the Germans didn't think this was scale-able. The landing could have turned the flank of the German line in Northern France and Belgium, finally creating the war of manoeuvre that the Allied generals had been hoping for. Equally, it could have bogged down, much like the Gallipoli landings had. Either way, it'd be really interesting to see.
One that'd probably be better suited for the TV would be if the Allies had successfully forced the Dardanelles in 1915. The Allies had cancelled their attempts to force it navally following the loss of three battleships to mines on the 18th March - however, there are suggestions that, had they tried again a few days later, they would have been successful. New minesweepers had arrived, and the Ottoman defences were running low on ammunition. Successfully forcing the Dardanelles and enforcing an Ottoman surrender would change a lot about the world. The British and French could ship grain and weapons to Russia through the Black Sea, likely preventing the Russian Revolution. The Ottoman surrender would come before the Arab Revolt (which would also likely lack British support), completely changing the Middle East. With a stronger, more capable Russia, Germany would have been under much more pressure - does this mean the war ends earlier? In any case, the post-war world would have looked very different, and a TV show exploring that could be good.
Tours has Fallen
The Battle of Tours in 732 has long been touted (controversially, but let's ignore that for now) as the battle that "saved" Europe from the Muslims.
In a world where Martel never defeated the Islamic forces that had made their way up through the Iberian peninsula, I think it would be interesting to see the aftermath. Can the warring states of Europe handle the onslaught of such a powerful foe? Will they ignore old rivalries to defeat the enemy? Will they befriend the Muslims, and stop the conquest through means of politics and peace? Or will they succumb to the strength of the conquering caliphate.
Just something I think about from time to time
This is a hard one because I just love alternate history for the alternate history but all my ideas will carry political commentary that I don't intend or want.
Alternate Mexican-American War where Mexico holds on to most of its territory its a commentary on Mexican-American relations and immigration no im just curious
Walker's Nicaragua survives and becomes a haven for ExConfederates its a commentary on American imperialism
An adaptation of How Few Remain its a commentary on race relations
Alternate history where WWI is avoided because of a failed assassination and Imperial Germany and friends survive it's a commentary on renewed European nationalism
No! I just think Imperial Germany was cool!
I've always wondered what would have happened if the Reform had happened within the Church, rather than in opposition to it.
Joan of England, sister of Richard I, actually does marry Al Adil, brother of Saladin. They are given the Kingdom of Jerusalem as a wedding present, ending the Third Crusade. They work together and attempt to create a kingdom of religious understanding, but nothing goes as planned. Court intrigue, religious tensions, interfering priests and imams, cultural upheaval...what's not to like?
Iceland, under the arbitration of Thorgeir Thorkelson, remains pagan in 1000AD. As a consequence, tensions on the island rise, and with the support of the Norwegian Crown, the pagans are forced to convert or leave. Thousands flee towards Greenland sometime around 1020-1030. The huge surge in population stresses resources on the colony, and attempts to permanently settle Newfoundland and the rest of Atlantic Canada begin. With thousands of people, initial colonies are quickly able to establish themselves. These pagan Norse very rapidly muscle out a space for themselves, but relatively low numbers and a lack of firearms preclude them from simply seizing the area.
An uneasy status quo with the First Nations in the area avoids open conflict, but tensions remain very high. The Norse travel up the St. Lawrence to trade with groups they haven't muscled in on that they aren't in conflict with, quite successfully establishing relationships and providing weapons that lead to an ambitious chief taking control of the surrounding tribes and basically declaring himself King of the river.
This leads to the early establishment of the Iroquois Confederacy to the Southwest in response, and conflict between the two sees an increased demand for iron weapons that the Norse are all too happy to supply. Over the course of the next two years a steady stream of iron weapons and tools flows across the Atlantic in exchange for furs and abundant fish.
Eventually, the Norwegian throne is convinced of the potential riches available and launches an expedition there themselves to survey the area and obtain the fealty and conversion of the Pagan Norse, as well as the other inhabitants.
Upon arrival a 5 headed conflict breaks out between Atlantic first Nations groups, The Confederacy, the river King, the Norse pagans, and the Norwegian expedition.
The Norwegians succeed in gaining the alliance of several groups, one of whom's chief converts to Christianity in order to position himself to take a leading role in the politics of the region. The pagans, being refugees fleeing from the Norwegian throne, obtain an alliance with the river King after convincing him that Norway is a threat to his ambitions.
A huge war happens. Haven't thought past there.
The Ottomans succeed at the Siege of Vienna, solidifying their hold on Europe for years to come. Flash-forward to 1910: the Sultan Suleiman V sits on the papal throne in his new palace, the Vatican. Janissaries stroll through the streets of Paris. French noblemen masquerade as Beys and Emirs.
In Paris, the Grand Duke of Poland-Lithuania himself has come to sue for peace, finally submitting to the might of the Sultan. Our hero, a German-born Janissary captain, is assigned to his party as guard and guide. But under his watch, the Grand Duke is assassinated, sparking a war that exposes the rotten core of the empire, threatens to collapse Europe in upon itself.
'Son' of York
Lambert Simnel, claiming to be Edward, earl of Warwick, wins the Battle of Stoke in 1487. In the midst of battle, John de la Pole, earl of Lincoln and the rebellion's real leader, kills Henry VII. The Tudor dynasty becomes a historical footnote and the Yorkists are restored to power after a two-year absence.
When Simnel and his forces reach London, what happens to the real earl of Warwick, then held in the Tower of London? Is he murdered, and Simnel continues the fiction of being Warwick, or is the boy cast aside, and the real earl released from the Tower? And what about John de la Pole, who unlike Simnel and Warwick was an adult, does he become the power behind the throne or kill both rivals and assert his own claim to be the Yorkist heir?
THE GREAT COUNCIL OF THE REPUBLIC OF VENICE GROWS SOME BALLS AND RAISES ENOUGH MEN TO CHALLENGE NAPOLEON, SIGNING AN ALLIANCE WITH AUSTRIA TO SUBSIDIZE THE REBIRTH OF A MIGHTY VENETIAN FLEET.
The Republic, forced to cede Bergamo and Brescia, is allowed to survive as a buffer state between Napoleon's Kingdom of Italy and Austria.
Upon the fall of Napoleon, the Republic helps the Kingdom of Piedmont unify Italy.
It would be interesting to see how removing the land border between Italy and Austria would have changed the First World War. Would Italy have sided with the central powers? Would the Republic, consisting of the modern regions of Veneto, Friuli, and Istria, have survived a two-front war? (probably not, but we're also assuming Italy goes to war with France). If a Venetian rump-state had survived the war, what would it look like? (the provinces of Venezia, Padua and Treviso?) How would it handle the Second World War? So many questions! What's important is
LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC
Breathing heavily, walks over to water fountain under the suspicious eyes of the whole office
The Fliers.
In the demonstration flight carrying the first soldier aloft, Orville Wright gets killed and Lt. Selfridge lives (instead of the other way around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Selfridge).
Selfridge turns out to have connections which means army interest in flying is greater than it was in our timeline.
Seasons 1: The development of airshows
As Wrights work on selling their aircraft to American, German, French and every other army, other people are wying for a place in the spotlight. The way to do that is to go to airshows and break records. Longest aloft. Farthest flown. Highest flight. etc.
As various players (Sopwith, Roland Garos, Curtiss etc) form teams or fly as individuals, Selfridge forms an army team. Flying with Wright machines he is in close fight for various records and trophies. Dangerous flying, women going for the fearless pilots, plot twists galore.
Season 2: Court battle heats up
Wilbur blames Selfridge for the death of his brother, cuts the team off from access to the machines. Instead of shutting down the team, Selfridge moves the team over to using Curtiss machines, further angering Wright. Wright is granted fundamental patents for flight, attempts to use courts to shut down Curtiss and Selfridge.
More dangerous flying, courtroom drama, love and intrigue behind the scenes.
Season 3: WWI starts in Europe
European fliers leave for the battlefields. Selfridge tries to use his influence with the army to build up the US aircraft industry (with a patent pool), but is initially rebuffed, and Curtiss moves his operation to the UK, where due to wartime emergencies, Wright court orders can not harm him. After a British flier uses a modified Curtiss seaplane to sink a German battleship (perhaps with a torpedo), US military starts taking notice. Wright dies of typhoid fever.
Sequences of flying in war and on the testing grounds, more courtroom drama, love in the time of war.
Season 4: US enters into WW1
Initially the US aircraft are not competitive with the European craft which are perfected by the lessons of war, but Curtiss and Selfridge join forces and build better and stronger aircraft, which make US Army Airforce a power to be reckoned with in the European skies. War flying, desperate love between perilous flights, captains of industry and statesmen.
For some reason, all the movies dealing with early flight are comedies. I'd like someone with a budget for stunts do a serious treatment.
America Pox: Native Americans don't get diseases from Europeans, but a great American disease wipes out most of Europe
You'd expect something grand from me, like what if the shogunate didn't fall, but actually my mental AU is always, what if Tosa's Sakamoto Ryoma wasn't assassinated and Choshu's Takasugi Shinsaku didn't die of TB and they went off and had adventures after the Meiji Restoration?
These two live-wire revolutionaries were big players in the Meiji Restoration, but died before seeing their side's ultimate success, so people speculate a lot about "What could they have done if they survived?" My answer: Maybe not so much. Meiji internal politics were vicious, and didn't just hand out power because you'd been important. But they could totally have adventures.
Both of them wanted to go see the West, and never got to, so my mental show is about this duo joining the Iwakura Mission in 1871 and hitting the U.S. hard. Sakamoto, the ambitious business man (his real-life company was the fore-runner of Mitsubishi), gets involved in American organized crime entanglements he has to shoot his way out of. Meanwhile, Takasugi talks longtime friend Kido Takayoshi (aka Katsura Kogoro) (the exasperated long-suffering straight man and babysitter on this show) into endorsing some expenditure, spends the entire budget on drinking, and disappears, but in Takasugi style, shows up again having joined up with a local native tribe whose grievances he's decided to champion against the American government. Cue diplomatic head-aches, Kido Takayoshi's emotional breakdowns (not AU), and more intrigue and comedy.
Will they ever get to Europe as scheduled? Who knows?
(Long-time lurker, 1st time poster.)
Lord Protector. Oliver Cromwell, reigning Lord Protector of England after crushing all his enemies in the brutal Wars of the Three Kingdoms/English Civil Wars, does not die of illness in 1658. Instead, his near-death experiences make him all the more driven and ruthless. Given a new lease on life, he attempts to forge Britain and Ireland more into his own image of a stark, Puritan kingdom of heaven. As Cromwell becomes more and more dictatorial, his fellow Englishmen start to see the cracks in his government; conspiracy begins to boil in the previously loyal Parliament and Sir Thomas Fairfax begins to toy with the idea of standing up to his old rival. But Cromwell's spies are everywhere in England, as are his Inquisitors.
Meanwhile, Cromwell's propagandists slowly begin changing some of the rhetoric seen since the Civil Wars to something more markedly disturbing: a new Soldier's Catechism begins to circulate in the New Model Army that infers that Cromwell is not just their leader, but, perhaps, a prophet. This kind of action disturbs the Presbyterian Scots, who re-arm in anticipation of once again having to defend their religion.
In Ireland, Cromwell's son-in-law and supreme commander, Henry Ireton does not die 1651 from plague. Instead, he carries the savagery, dispossession, and killing of the Irish to new heights under direction of Cromwell. The disparate Irish ethno-religious groups remember how closely they came to independence during the Civil Wars before they fell to infighting and the New Model Army. Ireton, once blindly loyal, begins to think that his father-in-law might be prompting him to gross brutality as part of a scheme to ignite another crisis, this time to bring Oliver Cromwell to supreme power.
Can the Irish again contemplate a revolt, even in a devastated Ireland? Can the English restrain a revitalized Cromwell through peaceful means? Can Protestants and Catholics, Irish, English, and Scots put aside their differences to combat an increasingly theocratic despot? Do they have a choice?
I'd like a serious take on the "modern town/ship/army base/small area goes back in time" idea, with historians and other experts collaborating to advise on what would happen. Might license one of the existing stories, or come up with a new one.
Confederate Almost the same premise as the show, the south manages to win a status quo in the US civil war. They fail to industrialise and just fall further and further behind the world. We see the inefficiencies of slavery in full effect, as it fails to compete with free labour, and money starts to get tight. As the state falls into failure, a slave rebellion starts, and that's where we begin.
The story is about the slave rebellion in the CSA, and how they are fighting for a homeland free from the oppression. They gotta do the fighting, while balancing allies. The US are happy to help, but they want to regain control of the area. The Europeans are too busy in their own wars. Mexico invades, reclaiming some of it's lost territory.
It's the story of how the men who started the civil war, didn't do it for any other reason for their own power, as maintaining slavery only helped them, and was bad for everyone else. And just what a stupid fucking idea the Confederacy was in general.
Is Man in the High Castle lazy and uncreative?
Pythia. It's an anthology series with an ensemble cast of women, each with her own style for invoking and extending her oracular powers. Each episode features guest stars (dudes) seeking prophecy. The B-plot will explore character dynamics and domestic drama behind the scenes at the temple.
Five Hurrahs for Henri
Henry V doesn't die of a disease early in his campaign to conquer France, a baby doesn't inherit and he is viewed as the rightful king of France.
Court moves to Paris and England is ruled by a succession of different regents.
It's now 1700 and the Burgundian colonies of the Americas are growing restless. Will the dual monarchy step in to help? And can it stay together in an era of growing nationalistic feeling?
Instead of Ogedei dying in 1241 and his armies being recalled from Western Europe he survives another 5 years. The horde pushes into a defenceless Europe. The squabbling states of Europe desperately try to repel the advancing tide but to little avail. They set to devastating the continent all the way to the alps. The papal states are laid to waste, the pope flees to England as Rome is sacked. The horde retreats in 1246 setting the continent back hundreds of years. Europe is on the verge of collapse, while the Mongols are now aware of the spoils to be taken there. Some rulers become governors under mongol protectorate. Laying foundations for the return of the Khanate. While the other disjointed leaders of Europe must try to reestablish their influence while the threat of a second coming of the mongols which could go beyond the alps and perhaps across the channel.
Anastasia and Olga live, escape Russia and flee to England. They don't want to rule Russia and try to quietly live their lives. But over time, and pressure from different political parties, realize they need to take back their country.
All of these ideas are show I would watch. There are so many great possibilities!
Rather than the classic What if Rome never fell, instead of retaking the Empire, Majorian moves the Imperial court to Britain and takes the whole Island and fortifies it.
The rest of the Empire collapses but Roman Britain persists and strengthens but as the Empire collapses people begin to immigrate to the coast of Gaul looking for Empire to take them in on the island.
The show could go either way with a modern take on what would the world look like if there was still some truly Roman state in 2017 or go with the Age of Exploration and look at what it might look like if Rome was going to begin to regrow its Empire in the 15th century.
Another key feature would be the conflict between the Roman elite and the church maintaining its importances and the new rising class of people rejecting the church after collapse and the surging popularity of neo-paganism
Norsemen colonize vinland but do not lose their colony, and information spreads south to europe and the muslim empires, which are rich and looking to spread the faith. Christianity is squished out by the muslims to the south and the norse to the north. When the large caliphates fracture, a struggle for land in the new world really takes off
Kathargo In the style of the the HBO Miniseries Rome, but Hannibal sacked the city in the second punic war.
A show about if Abu Bakr had actually made a trans atlantic voyage and established a society in the Americas that lived alongside great indigenous american societies. And then fast forward to the 21st century.
54'40 or Fight!
Polk's election in 1844 sparks concern in the British Empire. "54'40 or Fight!" has been his campaign slogan regarding the Oregon issue. In our timeline, the matter regarding Oregon was settled before Polk could pursue his war with Mexico. In this timeline, the American negotiators are much more hardline with Oregon, and for the third time in 70 years, war breaks out between the British Empire and the United States.
Season One: Covers the North American War of 1845-1849. The US faces a two-front war against Britain and Mexico, and it goes about as well as you'd expect. Mexico takes most of Texas back, leaving only the eastern third to be annexed by the US. Meanwhile, the US is forced to cede any and all claims to the Oregon Country or face the real wrath of the British Empire. This sets the stage for a very different United States. Instead of a massive, continent-spanning nation that is the undisputed hegemon of the Western Hemisphere, the US is an isolated power with enemies on three sides and an ocean on the fourth.
Season Two: 1853. Realizing they need allies, the US sees potential in recent upheavals in Europe. In particular, they see a potential friend in Napoleon III, who has recently seized power in France and declared the Second French Empire. And what better friend in the face of a decidedly hostile Britain than their perennial rival, France? (Over-)emphasizing their cooperation in the War of 1812 and the Napoleonic Wars, the United States and the French Empire form the Transatlantic Alliance, which will grow to define the latter half of the 19th century. Meanwhile, gold has been discovered in California, and large numbers of Mexicans and Brits (especially Irish) are drawn to seek their fortunes in New West. Herein lie the humble beginnings of the future California Republic.
Season Three: 1867. Austria is reeling from a defeat by Prussia and the North German Confederation. Facing the loss of the southern German kingdoms from its sphere of influence and rising nationalism, Franz Josef sees himself forced to create a "Triple Monarchy," giving Hungarians and Bohemians more control over their own affairs. Concerns about the meteoric Prussian rise to power lead to secret negotiations between France and Austria, both of whom feel threatened by Prussian expansionism. Meanwhile, in the Americas, the humiliated United States is desperate for a chance to reassert itself on the world stage. With the west closed off (which also made the question of slavery expansion largely moot, delaying the Civil War), the ambitious nation instead looks south into the Caribbean, where they see a crumbling empire ripe for the picking: Spain. On some trumped up nonsense, the US declares war on Spain and easily takes Cuba and Puerto Rico. Slavery is extended to both these colonies. Toward the end of the war, when an American victory is essentially assured, France makes a show of good friendship by invading Spain proper, annexing the Basque Country and the Balearic Islands for good measure. Austria sees this, and is convinced of the strength of the Franco-American alliance. They want in.
Season Four: 1870. Worried about the strength of the VPW Alliance (Vienna-Paris-Washington), Prussia and the North German Confederation are looking increasingly toward the global hegemon, Britain. Britain is worried about the United States, and Prussia is worried about France and Austria. Strengthened by marriage ties between their monarchies, Bismarck and Gladstone draw up plans for a defensive pact, the North Sea Defense Treaty or NSDT.
A similar chain of events leading up to the Franco-Prussian War occurs as in OTL, and it is the spark that ignites what comes to be known as the First Great War. France, Austria, and the United States face off against Prussia, the UK and later the Ottoman Empire, which joins later to stave off Austrian encroachment on its Balkan territories. France, however, is much better prepared than they were in OTL and after a brief skirmish along the border actually invades the NGC. Russia, happy to see its greatest rivals fight each other, stays neutral and focuses on other business - such as its enigmatic and isolationist neighbor to the East. Russia, not the US, is the one who opens Japan in this timeline.
The war ends with a narrow and costly victory for France, Austria, and the US. Eager to assert power and sate their vengeance for such a costly and drawn-out war, each of the victorious powers imposes harsh peace terms on the defeated London-Berlin-Constantinople alliance. France annexes all German territory west of the Rhine, as well as taking Wallonia from Belgium (which it invaded to get to Prussia). Austria prevents the Kleindeustche Lösung from ever taking shape, and forms the South German Confederation under its sphere of influence to counterbalance Prussia, as well as granting many Ottoman territories their independence, essentially as Austrian client states. Britain, meanwhile, loses Jamaica to France, and way more to their "favorite" friend the US - most of (what was then called) Canada (i.e., southern Ontario and Quebec), Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and New Brunswick. They also take the Bahamas, which becomes part of Florida.
All this acquisition of slave-free territory, however, provokes a mixed-to-horrified response in the South. They know slavery's days are numbered, and they won't go down without a fight...
The Brothers Barca
Hannibal Barca crosses the Alps into the Po Valley many years previous and the struggle between the 2 greatest Mediterranean powers of the ancient world are locked in a multi-year long struggle. The Romans take a gamble on the young Scipio, who sails for Hispania and unexpectedly, dies in battle against Hannibal's brother, Hasdrubal. As the last remnants of Rome's forces in Hispania are defeated, Hasdrubal turns his attention to the Italian peninsula. The Roman armies rush Hannibal's forces in an attempt to separate and defeat one of the brother's Carthaginian armies before they can combine their forces. Expecting this, Hannibal lays a trap for them and fights an even battle against the larger Roman forces. As the two sides wear each other down, Hasdrubal appears and the Carthaginians soundly defeat the Romans at the Battle of Metaurus.
Shortly after, the 2 brothers March on Rome and the city falls. As Carthage reigns supreme, do the Brothers humbly accept the reluctant gratitude of the Carthaginian Senate or do they plot in secret to carve out their own Empires from the Ashes of the Roman Republic?
The Years of Rice and Salt as an anthology series, with the same actors and actresses playing different characters as the timeline shifts forward
HBO has already optioned another Matt Ruff novel, Lovecraft Country, but they turned down his alternate history pitch, and it's one I'd love to see done: the War on Terror shoe on the other foot.
SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT:
The Confederacy holds out long enough, thanks to foreign aid, to force an armistice with the Union. Over the next half century, the Union, the Confederacy, and various foreign powers race to further balkanize North America west of the Mississippi, ending up with over half a dozen countries in the space where the continental US is in our world. As a result of foreign meddling and high military budgets, none of these countries become industrial super powers.
World War I kicks off on schedule, but without a united USA to tip the final balance, the Eastern Powers end up winning. The Ottoman Empire, though, responds to its already begun collapse by reforming the Sultanate into a ceremonial head of state, and instituting constitutional democracy. Within a few decades, it becomes the United Arab States (UAS), a global superpower to rival Russia and Germany.
World War II is won by the UAS, which goes on to wage a long Cold War against the Russian Empire. Both the UAS and Russia wage proxy wars across Europe, the Americas, Africa, and southeast Asia.
On November 9th, 2001, "crusader" terrorists inspired by Dick Cheney (mostly Republic of Texas in ethnicity, but based out of Virginia, CSA) fly airplanes into the World Trade Center in Baghdad and the Ministry of Defense in the capitol (Ankara? I forget.) The UAS launches the War on Terror, invading first the Confederacy, then the United States.
Yes, there's a little bit of deliberate implausibility there. The name of the reformed Ottoman Empire is obviously made-up to create a USA/UAS pun, and for a post WW-I Ottoman Empire to embrace British-style constitutional monarchy is a bit much. But I do like the (to me, obvious) assertion that a balkanized North America would result in a world completely unrecognizable to us. And I think American audiences would really have benefited from a look at "how would you feel if it happened to you?"
The book's called The Mirage and I can't recommend it highly enough. Probably one of the five best books I've read in the last decade.
How about instead of the Confederacy winning, a TV show about a mass slave uprising just before the war started in our timeline
The Divide. Post American Revolution the Northern and Southern States cannot come to an agreement and the Union is divided.
I'm partial to Portuguese history but hear me out on this... what if D.Sebastian of Portugal was a competent king and didn't die at the Battle for Alcácer Quibir?
The Portuguese Empire, the first in Europe, never falls to the Spanish Crown and only grows in power. ( Fun fact : Portugal was the world's first "superpower")
You could go a lot of places here:
- A strong Iberian alliance forms against Napoleon, ending it's reign much sooner and potentially setting up Portugal and Spain as powerful industrial era nations.
- Portugal has a much bigger military and economic power during the Second World War, allying with Spain and taking Gibraltar from the British and joining the Axis. Could this give Hitler control of the Mediterranean?
- Portugal keeps it's African and Asian colonies for much longer, making other powers like the UK or France scrap the idea of decolonization.
That'd be cool. I'm probably forgetting other possibilities.
Kaiserland: an alternate world where Germany won WW1 and seeing the modern world develop as a product of German culture as opposed to the Anglo-French world we live in now. Seeing what would would happen to famous historical figures, such as Hitler and Churchill in this world
WW1 ending in a draw or German victory. Then follows the drama of Germany trying to hold the country/Europe together whilst communism spread s through the weak Allied countries
I actually think an alternative history of Africa, (without western colonization/interference) would be super interesting. It might be too big, given the size of the continent and number of different countries and cultures there, but I'm sort of fascinated by the idea of what that might look like.
Cold War turned hot...something along the storyline if the Tom Clancy book Red Storm Rising.
It could be similar to GOT with multiple storylines taking place in the outbreak of war and then converging as the war continues.
Storylines: Russian commander in chief of land forces NATO commander in chief land forces NATO special forces commander NATO and Russian naval commanders NATO Air Force commander
Cold War resulted in actually using Nuclear weapons and the Soviet Union is basically wiped out completely and the US is devastated to a massive extent completely removing them as the leader on the world stage. Depending on how you want to frame the show it could be a in-battle between different European states to fight for supremacy of the West, a stand off between EU/China to become the ultimate super power or life in the US in the modern world while not being the world leader and not having the world's currency.
Carthage Like Rome, but imagine Hannibal sacked Rome
Massless
Henry of Navarre sieges Paris to take the throne by force. His victory and unrepentant Protestantism compels him to attempt to reconcile his malcontents with a continuing Parliament. Spy shenanigans, political machinations, romance at the French court! House of Cards with a non absolute monarchy in France.
An alternate history in which the Sassanid Empire was able to repel the Arab conquerors, and the Ottomans weren't able to take Constantinople from the Byzantines. The two grew to become the two superpowers of the world, and in the date somewhere in the future from now but not too far ahead. They are still actively at war, with the rest of the world suffering collateral damage.
A young man with both Arab and Turkish blood grew up in a country in open rebellion against the Persian empire, and little does he know he is destined to lead this rebellion against both the Roman and Persian empires, and bring the nearly two thousand year bloody conflict to an end.
John Birmingham's Axis of Time. Basically a state-of-the-art 2030's naval battlefleet get somehow teleported into early WWII. Story is written, buy a license and film the damn thing.
I'd like to see a take on what if the US Civil War was avoided. Lincoln loses to Douglass, tensions remain high but the south never secedes and a plan is eventually agreed upon which peacefully ends slavery. Would really be interesting to see how the next 50 years or so would go, especially in regards to the how the US economy is different during the the lead up to the great depression and also how military technology advances are affected leading up to WWI.
"Guns of The South" based on the book by Harry Turtledove: Time travelers from the 21st Century arrive in early 1864 and present the Confederacy with the AK47 and enough of the rifles and ammunition to successfully defeat the Union and establish themselves as an independent nation. After the war disagreement over the future of slavery in the South sends the Time Travelers and Confederacy on different paths (the travelers are from post-Apartheid South Africa and wish to see the Confederacy remain a slave holding power to later ally with South Africa while the Confederacy under President Robert E Lee, having had a change of heart on the issue after seeing how bravely free Blacks fought against his army and realizing that re-enslaving runaways armed by the Union during the war would lead to a nationwide conflict again, seeks to gradually emancipate the slaves) leading to a military confrontation in which the Confederacy gains access to even greater technological marvels.
While obviously this would probably be as controversial as "Confederate", Guns of The South could serve as an inspiration for a conversation about a nation looking in at itself and at its flaws and deciding how to best correct those flaws. In the book, the Confederacy realizes after a long hard look that slavery is more of a risk to its safety than a benefit and changes itself. The US today has similar issues that it needs to take a long hard look at itself over from the war on drugs, mass surveillance of citizens, marriage equality, fair enforcement of laws in minority communities, immigration and healthcare. A Guns of the South series probably wouldn't solve any of these issues but the story of a nation deciding that one of its supposed assets is more of a hindrance could spark conversation across the nation about our modern problems.
After the Apollo astronauts were stranded on the moon and whole nation heard their agonied screams and sobbing goodbyes, America lost its appetite for being #1. The Vietnam war was quietly drawn back and the Soviet Union surged forward in SE Asia, helping prop up Communist governments in the Philipines and eventually helping oust the United States from Japan.
The Soviets landed on the moon in 1975. And have continued to lead in areas of science and technology. Leading defectors like Steve Jobs have helped the USSR stay on the bleeding edge, technologically. The show is set in the slums of LA during another round of race riots as well as modern, fast paced and yet still politically repressed East Berlin. The show starts on the backdrop of the launch of the forst manned Mars Mission by the Spviet Union.
a show that explores how the new world would be different if some or all of the North American Pleistocene megafauna had not gone extinct and horses, camels, mastodons and mammoths had been domesticated in the new world. By the end of the first season, contact is made and Europeans meet their match or worse in powerful mounted army(s) of the indigenous nations
During the era of imperialism Africa has domesticated elephants and rhinos and is invading Europe
The Two Georges King George makes George Washington a king of America but as a vassal.
No World war II The Proteus Experiment by James P. Hogan
Back to School --
This would be a reality sendup. People submit stories of their idiot friends to a team at CalTech. Contestants would think "ooh, free trip to Hollywood!" Instead they wind up in a time machine in Pasadena, where they're forced to relive the historical events they've been too dense to understand.
There are lots of varieties here:
Wife gets tired of husband forgetting their anniversary. So they send him to attend his actual wedding again. He loses his mind realizing he's not living up to the promises of his youth, cries a lot.
Man that thinks America never lost a war is sent to the Tet Offensive. He has to be bailed out twice, because he's not smart enough to avoid gunfire.
After lots of visits to Nazi times, Hitler starts to figure it out. He still dies in the Bunker but, a couple days earlier, does an awesome impersonation of his own Downfall meltdown scene, riffing about his mustache. He also does a couple closet cam interviews.
One of the Nazi trips: an apologist winds up at Treblinka. They keep messing up his coordinates. He catches typhus.
Deadhead goes back to an early Dead concert. However he's old now, and forgot how nasty the lack of showering could be.
Lots of contestants will try to talk to their youthful selves. It's always a riot!
Honestly, if we are talking about Alternative History anything Harry Turtledove wrote would be better than 'Confederate' which seems to remind me of [C.S.A: The Confederate State of America] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America) more than anything especially unique.
However, I've always been struck by the number of assassination attempts that Hitler survived especially the attempts by Georg Elser at the Bürgerbräukeller in Munich in November 1939. If Hitler hadn't survived the bombing what would have happened? A Power struggle within Germany between the Military and the Party? Confusion on the Polish Front? Resistance in the occupied Czech lands? Communist risings in Germany supported by a newly intrigued Stalin? British and French leadership face new decisions and what about the Americans? What about the Jews? I think it gives a lot of angles on which to play.
I have an idea to pitch, but I'm not really an expert so if anyone would like to add more detail or take the concepts further that would be great. So the first one would be Spartacus But, I'm talking about the League, not the Thracian. In this alternate history the Weimar Republic is never formed because the communists emerge victorious from the German Revolution. From there it could be fascinating intrigue involving the new communist state, its relations with the Soviets, and its impact on the surrounding areas of Europe.
I'd like to see a show, not necessarily about if slavery had won, but if the Southern Democrats' mudsill philosophy had won the ideological struggle of the day and America devolved into a more explicit caste system.
I think a fictionalized version of Skanderbeg's story would make for an amazing TV show. Skanderbeg was the son of an Albanian lord after the Ottomans conquered Albania. He was sent as a hostage to Istanbul but eventually returned to Albania and fought against huge odds and with great success against the Ottomans.
The show would start with Skanderbeg and another boy taken in the devshirme and entered into Janissary training. While they initially hate their captors, over time they realize that being conscripted is a path to social mobility that they never could have attained in their Albanian mountain village. They also begin to fall in love with Ottoman culture and Islam, and agonize over their distance from their roots.
They participate in various Ottoman expeditions, but Skanderbeg hears of a rebellion in Albania and decides to join it (possibly prompted by a good old fashioned love triangle). The other Albanian main character is appointed to lead the Ottoman army sent to pacify Albania.
I tried to write an alternate history book about a war I think is glossed over in American history classes or was at least when I was in high school: the War of 1812. My spin on it was going to be that the US didn't demilitarize after the Revolution (not to the extent that we did in RL anyway) and actually defeats the British handily in Canada and on the seas while the British are still "distracted" by Napoleon. It was going to hinge entirely on the British response to these lightning quick American victories that were decisive but small in scale by comparison to European battles at the time, sort of like the Japanese strategy in WWII to try and knock America so far back in the Pacific we would realize defeating Japan was too much work. Sadly British and American history never really fancied me so I felt I couldn't make a strong go at it since my area of focus was Eastern Europe. I also couldn't see a way to make it work without Napoleon winning or at least not invading Russia and that would require a whole book in its own right to explain. In my little alternate history I envisioned the British agreeing to quick terms of peace as they were in a titanic struggle with France and needed trade with the US and Canada to resume in order to maintain their fleet which was the only thing they had going right over Napoleon.
I don't have a concrete idea, but I've always found it kind of fascinating that empires like the Ottomans and the Russian Tsars persisted into the 20th century in (what seems to me at least) very anachronistic forms, and I'd love to see a story with a very traditional absolute monarchy existing on the world stage today as a great power. Best thought I can come up with is that maybe Tsar Nicholas II is just much better at his job and manages to both somewhat modernize the Russian economy and to negotiate a last minute peaceful resolution to the crisis that led to WWI, making him kind of the man of the hour on the international stage and much more popular domestically for sparing people the ravages of war. Or maybe it would work better/make more sense if there was still a big war, but more limited (like France and Britain vs Germany on the western front plus Austria-Hungary with German help vs. the Serbs and the Italians while various Allied backed nationalist guerrillas tear up the empire from within) but then the Russians manage a diplomatic settlement in 1916. Throw in a subplot about Nicholas putting down a coup-ish attempt in 1914 to try to force Russia into the war and you'd have a reasonable justification for a pretty zealous Tsarist sentiment among a lot of the working class of the Russian Empire, who see the Romanovs as the ones who stood for Russia's best interests against upper class businessmen and nobles who wanted a war for their own benefit, because otherwise it's hard to see how the monarchy doesn't fall or at least become ceremonial.
Idk I just want The West Wing but where Martin Sheen is literally an emperor, both for the weird juxtapositions of a dude in a robe and a crown discussing nuclear strike options in the situation room, and to be able to examine how even an absolute monarch isn't really all-powerful and needs to maintain support from groups within the state, but against the backdrop of events that are more recognizably contemporary.
The 1000 year Reich: After the battle of Königrätz is fought to a stand still with huge losses on both sides, cooler heads prevail in Prussia and Austria. Instead of the little German solution, Franz Ferdinand I of Austria and Otto von Bismarck devise a bigger German solution, that will not make the German states feel marginalized by Austria. Austria is split up into several larger kingdoms with the Austrian emperor ruling the main crown lands and just being a figure head for the eastern parts. Having the precedence of non-German nation countries be part of the German confederation, several Baltic states and Poland decide to join the confederation, making Germany the dominant block at the beginning of the 20th century.
Where other European nations have colonies, after some misadventures in Africa, Germany instead focused heavily on industrialisation and technological and scientific progress. The ensuing technological progress leads makes the German army on par with those of its richer neighbours, however, through Otto von Bismarck's clever design of the treaties governing greater Germany, aggressive use of this army is made neigh impossible.
Season 1: As unrest in their colonies increases Brittain and France bond together to invade Germany. How will Russian empire decide? Will this young constitutional monarchy remain neutral? Or will it join Brittain and France in their war against the giant between them.
Season 2: The United states, originally neutral in the Great war, finally enter into the war on the side of Germany when Brittain starts to sink American merchant vessels headed for German north sea ports. The war spreads to North America the US army crosses the border to the North American British colony.
Season 3: as the war grinds on, German scientists have developed a Wunderwaffe, that can level a city in a single strike. Not knowing if their enemies also have this technology, German leadership has to weigh letting the djinn out of the bottle or risk a long and drawn out confrontation.
Season 4: While focusing on Europe, Brittain and France let slip the reigns of their colonies. As they revolt, one after the other, Germany finds itself close to winning the great war. Will it be possible to forge lasting peace in Europe? Or will hawkish groups in German leadership win out and impose heavy reparations on the aggressor nations? Meanwhile, in North America, the US has to decide what to do with the parts of Canada it conquered. Should the former enemies be allowed to join the USA now that they have been freed of their colonial status?
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The USSR and the allies engaged in hostilities in 1945 and went to war.
I personally was incredibly disappointed by the man in the high castle and would like to see the premise redone, less with the alternate realities and more with the americans leading a resistance akin to that of france or poland
The khans successfully conquer Europe
The knight and the high castle. Two centuries have passed since all of Western Europe has been conquered by the Muslims. The vast empire stretching from Ireland to Persia has brought back prosperity, scientific advancement and a renaissance of the arts to the former Latin west. Some strange manuscripts in Latin have been discovered in Cordoba, Aachen, and even in the library of the great mosque in Rome. They tell epic tales of knights and paladins who are said to have stopped the Saracens from conquering Europe and the history of the great Christian kingdoms that were formed by them. Who wrote these fictional alternate history manuscripts? And why are they being found now, when the glorious Muslim Empire is suddenly under attack by hordes of savages coming on long ships along the Northern Coast?
Confederate, but accurate as to what would have happened if the south won the war. Maybe slavery would have lasted longer, but it would have died out pretty soon, even without with civil war.