Did Judaism exist during the time of the Greek philosophers (Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, etc)? What did the Greeks think of Judaism and the Jewish community? What did the Jews think of the Greeks and their philosophy?

by DrHENCHMAN
Bensfone

If that was pre-Aristotle than modern day Israel, I believe, would've still been under the control of the Persians. "Jerusalem" by Simon Montefiore was a fascinating read.

But, I really wanted to ask a follow up to this. I recall Josephus was a contemporary of Rome. Was there a similar individual that communicated with the Greeks in Pre-Alexander Greece?

grashnak

I don't have time to work these into a full response (I have to teach section, ugh), but here, to get you started, are some primary sources. These are primarily from the Greek (Egyptian) side.

Theophrastus (pupil of Aristotle) refers to the Jews as a sect of philosophers, who have strict dietary laws (like the Pythagoreans) and who stay up all night discussing the finer points of the law given to them by the founder of their school, Moses.

Maneto, Egyptian priest (but Hellenized), writes a very polemical account of the Jews and the Exodus and argues that Moses was basically a rebel Egyptian priest or prince (I forget which). We have his text because Josephus quotes it at length in order to rebut it.

Similarly, Hecateus of Abdera (quoted in Diodorus Siculus) gives an account of the Exodus, in which he says that Jews refuse intercourse with other people because they are misanthropoi, haters of mankind. Overall, though, Moses comes off pretty well in this--he is a lawgiver and military leader who founds an insular ethnos that doesn't communicate much with outsiders, which the Greeks are totally down for.

Once you get into the Roman period there are obviously many many more sources--Tacitus, Plutarch, even Petronius all talk about the Jews. Most of them think circumcision is hilarious. We also have texts from Hellenized Jews (Philo of Alexandria) that engage deeply with Greek philosophy, and certain biblical books (Daniel being the prime example) that clearly emerge from a Hellenistic context.

Honestly your best bet is to just read Gager, Origins of Anti-Semitism, as well as Menahem Stern, Greek and Latin Authors on Jews and Judaism. The problem with the Stern book is that when you put all the quotatios together out of context you might think that the Greeks and the Romans were really anti-semitic, when in fact these come from long discourses on different peoples/ethnoi (the Egyptians, Persians, Thracians, Gauls, etc.,) all of whom are barbarians and thus probably not that great in the eyes of the Greeks and Romans (the Greeks often feel this way about the Romans too). So it's hard to say it's a particular anti-semitism, rather than just a general dislike of the other, who has weird customs you want to make fun of.