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This week we have a great interview with /u/Rhodis on the military orders, like the Knights Templars, Hospitallers and others! Today he will be gong us a thorough and factual history of these military orders, which often swirl with myth and legends and provide fodder for thousands of fantasy authors. Expect a special bonus episode next week on the military orders in Scotland.
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I made a post but might as well ask here as well. Why was Templar Cyprus an immediate failure when the Templars were excellent administrators over vast holdings?
And did the Templars attempt to create a Monastic State similar to the Teutonic Ordenstaat?
Where could I find more information on the leper knights mentioned in the episode. This includes information on lepers not being as socially ostracized as previously believed.
The whole idea really caught my imagination deeply and I want to learn as much as I can about it.
I am not a historian, but I'm willing to try my hand at academic papers if that's all that's available, although I would prefer any books you can recommend.
Thank you, fantastic episode.
Hi, /u/Rhodis
In this amazing and ifnormative podcast you mentioned the transformation of Templar's in Portugal into order of Christ (i think somewhere around 45 minute mark) and say something a long the line that there probably wasn't that much transfer of members, but only lands.
However, it seems lately the consensus is that the members had mostly transferred too.
In "The New Frontier: The Role of the Knights Templar in the Establishment of Portugal as an Independent Kingdom" by José Valente (jstor link) there is a relevant paragraph on page 64:
The main question regarding the establishment of the order deals with the degree to which the Templars survived in Portugal. Portuguese historians have traditionally seen a continuity between the two orders, the whole affair a well cherished tribute to Portuguese craftiness and the ability to chart its own course independently of the rest of Europe. But even without the misplaced patriotism with which Dinis' actions have often been appraised, evidence does seem to indcate a deep overlapping between the two orders. The transition was almost seamless. All Templar possessions were transferred to the Order of Christ. As for the Templars themselves, there were never any arrests in Portugal. In the Chronicle of King Dinis the author says that "history does not tell of any brothers [of the Templars] being killed, but instead, as we found written, many of them joined the Order of Christ." The last master of the Templars, D. Vasco Fernandes, ended his days as commander of Montalvão, on the eastern border, a fate vastly different from that of Jacques de Molay, last general master of the Templars, who was burned at the stake in France. Vasco Fernandes was, to my knowledge, the only Templar master in Europe to continue his duties as a member of a military order after the demise of the Templars. As a last link to the old order, and as a sign that any such link was completely void of prejudice, the old Templar master and his brothers started to add to their signatures Quondam miles Templi, "at one time knight of the Templars."
What was the local civillian reaction to being governed by foreign people of another religion? Were there revolts against places governed by miliary orders and was it possible for the local population join as well to advance their status?
Yo. Brilliant podcast today.
I was wondering in regards to the military order set up by the Tudors for the subjugation of the Irish. Could you point me to some writings on the topics or elaborate further about them?