Were the huns and mongols related?

by joona_DDG
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Hello There,

This is a complex topic, as steppe nomad society is a very fluid entity, but I'll do my best to answer at least part of this. My knowledge of the Mongols is on the origin of Mongol-Speakers, not necessarily the Mongols themselves, but I can answer about the Huns.

Basically, the Huns and the Mongols, along with other steppe nomad societies, are usually traced by language. The Huns (Xiongnu) came possibly from the Yenisei-Ob Region in the Minusinsk Basin. They likely spoke a Yeniseian language when they expanded out into the Mongolian Steppes and formed the Xiongnu Empire. They then experienced a language flip when they assimilated the Turkic-speaking Dingling, Xinli, and Gekun peoples, retreating across the Altai and eventually migrating into Europe.

The Chinese histories trace Mongolic speaking peoples from the Donghu, a confederation destroyed by the Xiongnu around the time of the Qin Dynasty. The Donghu remnants in Manchuria spawned the Xianbei, the arch-nemesis of the Xiongnu, who like the Xiongnu would also experience a language flip to Turkic when they migrated towards Europe later on.

The Mongols were Mongolic-speakers. Mongolic and Turkic are closely related languages, along with Tungusic, but there is a lot of debate about how these languages evolved. It used to be Macro-Altaic theory, which suggested Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, and Koreo-Japonic all evolved from a common language of Altaic, spoken in the Altai mountains before it began branching off possibly around 2000 BC. That's no longer thought to be accurate. Koreo-Japonic is no longer believed to be related while Mongolic-Tungusic and Uralic-Turkic are believed to have had a much more complex development.

The Eurasian Steppes are a relatively homogenous melting pot, which was dominated by Iranic-speaking nomads until the Huns came, and dominated by Turkic-speakers until today (barring Mongolia, mostly). By the time the Mongol identity and "ethnicity" (if you can really call it that) emerged, the Huns had been gone for 500-600 years. The Mongols originated South of Lake Baikal near the tributaries of the Amur River, East of the Orkhon, in the 12th Century AD, a completely different location than the Huns. They had genetic and anthropological similarities, but they were not the same people.

Sources:

Vaughn, Carter. "The Turks in World History."

  • Jankowski, Henryk. "Altaic Languages and Historical Contact." In "Current Trends in Altaic Linguistics: A Festschrift for Professor Emeritus Seong Baeg-in on his 80th Birthday", 523-545. Seoul: Altaic Society of Korea, 2013.

  • Di Cosmo, Nicola. "Ancient China and its Enemies: The Rise of Nomadic Power in East Asian History." 161-205.

  • Vovin, Alexander. "Did the Xiongnu Speak a Yeniseian Language?"

Half of it, the other half is buried on his Academia page: https://www.academia.edu/1804191/Xiong-nu_Part2

  • Kim, Hyun Jin. "The Huns, Rome, and the Birth of Europe." Particularly his Introduction and his first Chapter on Nomads in Inner Asia (Page 29 on the language flip, which he compares to the Mongol Chagatai).