We (Art & History Museum in Brussels, Belgium) need your help solving this mystery (more info in comments)!

by ArtHistoryBrussels

Hello /r/askhistorians,

We're closing in on solving this. I'll keep you guys posted!

Update: on the site of the Flemish and Walloon public broadcasters. And again, you saw it first on Reddit :)


We (the Art & History Museum in Brussels, Belgium) currently have a temporary exhibition about the Wolfers family (famous jewlers from Brussels) and Victor Horta (famous art nouveau architect).

During this exhibition the curator received this silver box. We know some things about it, but there is also alot we don't know. That's why we need your help (updates below!)

Here is what we know (see album):

  • It's a silver cigar box, made by Wolfers (there is a quality mark on the back: triangle with three stars, 800 and Wolfres freres). The 800 is a gradation of the quality of the silver.
  • On the front is says Zur Erinnerung an Gemeinsame Arbeit in Belgien. Brüssel, den 1. november 1918. This translates to 'In memory of the joint work in Belgium. Brussels, the first of november, 1918'
  • The box traveled from Belgium (where it was commissioned/made and bought) to Germany and back to Belgium

Here is what we presume:

  • The names on the box are officials (not military personnel: it would be very likely to have a military grade engraved together with the names)
  • The box is a souvenir for people who worked together in occupied Belgium. With this in mind, it's not unlikely there were more of the same boxes made and handed out (there are 16 autographs on the box, perhaps 16 of these boxes were made)
  • The box was made/commissioned as a souvenir as soon as this group of people realised the war was over (the date is prior to the armistice: 1 november 1918 vs 11 november 1918).
  • There are 14 autographs on top of the box, 2 on the front. Perhaps the two on the front are from the officials in charge
  • There is one autograph (on the front) that is perfectly readable: Brinckman(n). All the others are open to discussion.

We would like your help with the following:

  • Best case: you have seen this (kind of) box with someone you know (a neighbour, relative,...) and know more about it.
  • The signatures are not at all clear: we would like to know the names of everyone that signed (this might help in locating those persons or finding out more about them)
  • We would like to know more about the context: who were these people? What was their job in occupied Belgium?

update: This was already posted in lots of other subreddits, and we might have some leads: 'Brinckmann' might be this guy. 'Zöbisch' might be Septa Zöbisch, an opera singer, who knew Brinckmann. Brinckmann was involved in the German 'Flamenpolitik', a way to win the hearts and minds of the Flemish (article about that here in Dutch) through promoting culture. Nothings sure, but as said this might be a valuable lead.

Thanks in advance to help us solve this mystery!

chilly_anus

Just a heads up, it might be useful to ask the guys in /r/whatisthisthing . They are pretty good with stuffs like this.

WaldenFont

I don't know who any of these people are, but in case you haven't figured out all the names yet, I see:

Dr. G. Knigge

Blumer

Weil

Platt (or Plate)

Dr. K. [Daerzt?]

Gethmann

[W] Brügg[e]mann

Ottl[?]

[?][B or R]undfuss

Lotto

[?]otag

If these people are notable, you may want to contact an autograph dealer to get more clarity. David Lowenherz at (http://www.lionheartautographs.com) might be able to refer you to someone.

Erusian

Can we get some pictures of the inside of the box? It's a fairly generic shape and the inside of a box often determines what it's meant to hold. The lack of a lock means it's probably not jewelry or letters or something of that sort. I see you say it's a cigar box in the album. If so, it's a large one. It was also not meant to be moved, since if it was it would have a latch. Also, if it was meant to be nice it would a lining on the inside. Otherwise, the cigars would tarnish the silver on the inside (and you would see as such if it was used to any significant degree.)

Do you know what the silver was cut with, by chance? A good metallurgist will be able to tell you. I'm speculating, but it's probably German Silver. (Note, this is a type of silver like Sterling Silver, not necessarily literally from Germany. Though it was favored by Germans and, as you said, the box was sent to Germany.) If so, the other 20% will be mostly copper. If it's something else, that will help you narrow it down significantly. (It means they were optimizing for something other than price and strength.)

Commemorative cigar or tobacco boxes where people carved their names were definitely a thing in the time period. But this one looks far more professional than the hand-etched versions you find in (say) British frontline units. It was clearly commissioned as opposed to a bunch of buddies taking a knife and carving names onto their boxes. I will say, there are plenty of examples where soldiers did so without carving their rank. I'm not sure it's directly comparable though. Those were often items carried into combat and this clearly would not work for that. It's too big and lacks a latch.

alt247

FYI The Brinckmann signature doesn't match his other known signature.

textandtrowel

Fröbisch seems pretty clear to me. It seems to have a restricted geographic relevance. See p. 68. And I'll join others in spotting Dr. G. Knigge and Weil. I think the adjacent signature should be Blümer or perhaps Klümer. There's a contemporary Frieda Klümer from Rostock, who might be your target or at least a relative.

flavsmedeiros

So, I really can't identify most of the names, but following that lead about Albert Brinckmann I found this paper about german art historians involved in the Flamenpolitik. It has many names, including Brinckmann's.

I also found some other names of German intellectuals/scholars/etc that seemed to be a part of Flamenpolitik:

  • Dr. R.P. Oszwald
  • Joseph Otto Plassmann
  • Pius Dirr
  • Rudolf Alexmann Schroder
  • Hans Friedrich Blunck
  • Dr. Konrad Beyerle

And here is a list of all the Belgians that were part of the Raad van Vlaanderen.

Hope it helps and good luck!

smokeyhawthorne

I’ve seen a gift very similar to this that was from the signatories (I think Russian oligarchs in exile in Corsica) to an official stationed there who looked after them. It was a token of thanks and came with a scroll of signatures as well.

I only mention this because perhaps this was a one off box and the true owner or their descendants isn’t even listed on the box... or perhaps the two names on the front are significant for that reason.

Senor_Gringo_Starr

Rhethmann (Phethmann)

Fobisch

Dr G. Knizze

Weil

M Singgmann

N Br.....fuss

ReneBekker

Just a suggestion: the wording is exactly the same as the wording used by Masonic lodges who refer to a meeting as “Arbeit”. I have seen exactly the same sentences before on Masonic memorabilia commemorating specific sessions.

Good luck!