Was the black pygmy irish genocide real?

by Ouruborealis

My question is: how real is this, is there evidence for it.

here is the text of the claim:

"St. Patrick born Maewyn Succat, born circa 375 AD was a Roman Brit, who completely murdered the Twa out of Ireland. The Twa (Druids) an ethnic group of small African people, wore a headpiece with a snake on it. This ethnic group is now thought to be the original inhabitants of the majority of the earth. The snake worn on their head piece(Twa also were the west African descendants of Ancient Kush and Kemet both who wore the emblem of the earth mother(snake) on their head pieces), is the meaning behind Patrick chasing the snakes out of Ireland. St. Patrick committed one of the largest genocides/mass murders of more than 200,000 Africans again ordered, sanctioned and funded by the Eastern Othodox Church by Pope Celestine I. He then taught Christianity to the land. He was sainted posthumously for the vile inhumane murderous act of slaughtering the Twa. A mere sacrifice for the spread of Christianity.The Leprechaun is our African ancestor originally from Guinea. This is the only portion about the Twa/Druids that is mainstreamed and given a false depiction as a white Irishman.The people of Guinea to this day still practice the magic of the forest healing, and making medicines from fermented brews (beers) that can cure many illnesses. The name "Guiness Stout" is a feminized brew that comes from many traditions that are brewed from "The Land of the Woman," known as Guinea, West Africa"

Here are the sources cited to support it: A Book of Beginnings by Gerald Massey The Primitive Glory of the Kymry (author unknown) Ancient and Modern Britons: A retrospective Vol. 2 Specifically the section "Magi of Ireland" The Origin Evolution of Religion (author unknown, possibly the same book as above) pg. 419, 427

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This was asked and answered by /u/itsallfolklore a couple of years ago.

It's pure nonsense (having an African or Egyptian origin for everything was the late nineteenth century equivalent of the current ancient aliens fad). I in particular am enamoured with MacRitchies' claim of steppe riding Tartars masquerading as Vikings and trading with a race of noble white people in New England in the 900s.

For reference on the books mentioned as "sources":
The Primitive Glory of the Kymry is Gogoniant hynafol y Cymmry by the "arch druid" Myrfr Morganwg and was published (in Welsh) in 1865
Ancient and Modern Britons: A retrospective Vol. 2 is by David MacRitchie (published in 1884)
The Origin Evolution of Religion is by Albert Churchward and was published in 1924

Commustar

Well, the present-day Twa populations don't live in Guinea. They live in Central Africa and the Great Lakes region. here's a wikipedia article about them. Also, as an ethnographic term, Twa only covers some of the "pygmy/pygmoid" populations of Central Africa, since there are also Mbuti, Aka, and Baka populations as well.

These populations are well established in the origin myths of the Bantu peoples of central Africa, where they are often placed in the role of "guides" and first inhabitants of a territory, while Bantu populations often declare their own origins as coming from a migrant prince/warrior/hunter who establishes a new kingdom or society in the forest. Thus, in the role as first inhabitants and guides, these Twa and other forest specialists serve in Bantu mythology to teach Bantu populations how to survive in the forest. Additionally, the Twa and other "pygmy" populations are placed in the role of ritual specialists, who because of their nativity to the region have greater insight into the supernatural realm in the rainforest, and so can be called upon to ward off misfortune coming from the spirits of the forest.

A very good book to read about the historical relationship between Bantu and Batwa populations in the Congo basin is "the Pygmies were our Compass": Bantu and Batwa in the History of West Central Africa, Early Times to c. 1900 c.e. by Kairn Klieman.

Anyhow, all of that is a very roundabout way of saying, I have never heard anything about Batwa populations coming from Guinea. I have also never heard of the Batwa being placed as originating from ancient Egypt (i.e. kemet) or Kush (i.e. Nubia or the modern republic of Sudan). Actually, it has been a tendency for Afrocentrist scholars to attribute the origins of many many African populations to Kemet (Egypt), and claim a sort of hyperdiffusionism where these Egyptian populations spread to all corners of the continent. Since the 1960s, most mainstream scholars have become very skeptical of such hyperdiffusionist claims (whether coming from old guard Imperialist scholars or from the Afrocentrist reaction).

So, those specific details of the story, tracing the Twa to Guinea and ultimately to Kemet ring false, and make me very very dubious about all other aspects.

Edit- just re-read the claim. It's claiming that 1) the Twa were the first inhabitants of most of the earth (presumably that means they are the first inhabitants of Ireland too). 2) The Twa living in Ireland became the Druids, but they were still African (they don't qualify as European after being first inhabitants and living in Europe for generations?). 3) They are originally from Guinea. 4) no, but they are originally originally from Egypt.

That explanation is incoherent.

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