A few questions about the Holy Roman Empire

by TheLastShah79
  1. Did Martin Luther ever meet Charles V? If so, was it at the Diet of Worms?

  2. When and why did Austria become seperate from the Holy Roman Empire? At what point was it fully independent?

  3. What did Francis II dissolve the century-old Holy Roman Empire only to carbon copy it into the Confederation of the Rhine?

  4. I know the HRE didn't have a capital per se, but where was the government and the emperor's court centered?

  5. Why didn't the HRE attempt to centralize on a wider scale once feudalism began to decline in Europe?

  6. Who is the greatest Holy Roman Emperor? (I say Charlemagne, Charles V, Maximillian I, Charles IV, and Frederick Barbarossa)

kieslowskifan

What did Francis II dissolve the century-old Holy Roman Empire only to carbon copy it into the Confederation of the Rhine?

This question has a number of incorrect assumptions. While Francis II did dissolve the HRE in 1806, his dissolution of the entity cannot be divorced from its immediate context. Imperial institutions had been under increasing stress since the 1790s and a number of them had been eliminated, but it was the French military and political hegemony over Central Europe that forced Francis II's hand in this matter. Napoleon's military domination of the smaller German states meant that many of them found themselves de facto vassals of France. Napoleon did reward his German allies with expanded regal titles and mediatized lands, but often at a cost of their independence. Francis II and his advisors were shocked by these developments and Austria's disastrous 1805 campaign against the French in the War of the Third Coalition put them in no position to oppose the growing French power in Germany. Thus dissolving the HRE, which Napoleon eventually demanded in peace negotiations, fell in line with Habsburg grand strategy. Francis II's main goal in the aftermath of Austerlitz was to preserve Habsburg power and in the case of the HRE, it was better for it to look like a Habsburg decision to dissolve the HRE than have all its constituent components declare they were leaving it. The latter would have been a deep blow to Habsburg prestige even if it reflected the actual situation on the ground.

The Rheinbund was not a creation of Francis II, but Napoleon. The French Emperor created the Rheinbund as part of the larger negotiations ending hostilities between Austria and France. The Rheinbund was many things, but one thing it was emphatically not was a carbon copy of the HRE. For one thing, the Rheinbund possessed no central executive or supreme authority like the Holy Roman Emperor and had very weak confederal institutions. Napoleon was the protector of the Rheinbund, something which the member states had no say in, which was another contrast to the HRE. Although the electoral system of the for the Emperor had by politics and tradition fallen to the Habsburgs, the HRE's electors could always elect another dynasts as their sovereign. It was this danger that forced the Habsburgs to deal more seriously with their German princely subjects. The Rheinbund states were satellite states of the French and it was very clear that they had no choice but to bow to French demands.

The HRE had weak confederal institutions, but even here it was much more robust than the Rheinbund. In theory, the French-dominated confederation should have functioned as a collective institution, but in practice each of its members more or less did their own thing to meet French demands. There was no real equivalent of the HRE's Kreise system of collective defense or imperial armies drawn from the HRE member states. The Germans that marched under Napoleon generally did so under the banners of their own sovereigns. There were some Rheinbund regiments and moves for an Army of Germany, but these regiments and plans never really amounted to much. For all of Napoleon's grand plans for Germany, the Rheinbund ended up something of a hollow institution predicated mostly on providing the French Empire with blood and treasure. The Rheinbund monarchs participated in this institution largely because they had little choice in the matter and going along with Napoleon preserved what remained of their independence on their own lands.

Now there is an argument that Francis II continued the HRE in the form of the German Confederation. This creation of the Congress of Vienna did tick off a number of boxes that were found in the old HRE. For one thing, the Confederation did allow for collective defense and a German army in times of emergency. The Confederation also tried to thread the needle between respecting the independence of its members' legal systems and try to uphold an overarching legal framework for Central Europe. This was one of the major dilemmas of the late HRE and one that it never fully resolved. Nonetheless, the Confederation was quite a different institution from the old Reich. For one thing, the Confederation lacked the prestige and history of the HRE. Francis II's dissolution came as a major shock to many Germans in 1806. The Confederation also had no clear executive leadership akin to the Emperor. Finally, the Confederation also recognized the importance of Prussia. The ascent of Prussia had radically destabilized the late HRE as it was a member of the body that was strong enough to fully act outside the imperial institutions. The Hohenzollerns could alternate between ignoring their duties as members of the HRE or acting as the "protector" of the smaller German states in the name of HRE's collective defense. The Confederation granted Prussia a degree of official power within the institution and raised Prussia to a near-rival to Austria in German affairs.

sunagainstgold

Hey there,

A lot of these questions are really huge. I think you'll do better getting answers if you post them separately. (But on the last one--we don't allow "poll type" questions like that, since they essentially invite people's opinions and this isn't the sub for that).

We do ask that you wait at least 24 hours in between posting questions.

Good luck!