Was South Vietnam a mere puppet state of the U.S., or was there legitimately a majority of individuals who supported Capitalism above Communism?

by Flowers818

I'm not a historian or anything - yet - and I've been watching lots of Crash Course World History by John Green.

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One of his statements is that "The Vietnamese were not fighting for Communism, they were fighting *for Vietnam* - They were never going to surrender," Effectively stating that the U.S. had a fundamental misconception of the process which caused them to lose the war: That the Vietnamese fought for freedom and survival, using Communism as an ideology to do so, not as a group of evil people spreading communism across Indochina.

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However, that is only the narrative of the North. What about the South? What did they feel about the French imperialism? Can the North Vietnamese be blamed for the crimes of the Khmer Rouge?

Bernardito

In the early American historiography of the Vietnam War, whether or not the author felt that the war was justified or not, there were large generalizations about North and South Vietnam. The tendency to draw the entire population of what was essentially two nations into one easily identifiable category of simple peasants who wanted their freedom for their nation was misguided and was the result of authors who could not read Vietnamese, who didn't know really know these countries as intimately as a scholarly expert or who simply focused on what was more important: The American perspective.

Thankfully, the scholarship of the Vietnam War has begun to move away from it and focus on aspects that have either been ignored or simply overlooked. The most important change was the so-called "Vietnamese Turn" in which a larger focus has been given to South and North Vietnamese topics to explore the impact of the war in every sector imaginable of both nation's societies. In the last ten years alone, there has been an explosion in fantastic scholarship into South Vietnam. This has meant that familiar South Vietnamese figures (who have been turned into stereotypes) like Ngo Dinh Diem have been reassessed and given a new voice. But most importantly, the orthodox view of South Vietnam as either a puppet state or a pawn has been made obsolete. South Vietnam is now portrayed as its own actor in the Vietnam War era, alongside North Vietnam and the United States (as well as the myriad of other nations involved).

This brings us to your question: Was there, or was there not, a 'majority of individuals who supported Capitalism above Communism' in South Vietnam? The answer to that, as any other historian would say about the population of any region/nation/kingdom/empire (etc.) is that it's more complicated than that. There were no simple two sides. In South Vietnam, people made their own choices and that had tremendous impact on their lives and that of their families. There were those who actively protested against the South Vietnamese government (who in turn violently suppressed them) but who had no love for communism or North Vietnam. There were others who hated the South Vietnamese government because of their policies (such as conscription) or who were the victim of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam's heavy hand. Political diversity existed both in the cities and on the countryside, although rural South Vietnam can be a difficult subject to tackle due to the lack of primary sources.

Speaking for myself as a researcher, my own research into the Kit Carson Scouts who were former PAVN/PLAF soldiers who defected to the South Vietnamese government and then chose to work for the United States show that political diversity in action on both sides. Some were men who had been forcibly conscripted by the PLAF and who took the first chance to escape while others were men who felt disillusioned by North Vietnam, politically or militarily, and chose to defect rather than dying. Between these two examples, we find a large amount of different explanations or motivations but it all comes down to one simple fact: They made their own choices. It was not obvious to them that they were "fighting for Vietnam" or that "they were never going to surrender" -- indeed, they did surrender and chose to throw in their lot with the opposite side.

Needless to say, this is a complicated topic and one that is difficult to summarize. Asking what an entire nation of millions felt about a particular subject is a very difficult if not impossible question to answer. Yet what modern scholarship has done is to balance that previous image of South Vietnam and brought up new, fresh perspectives. The outdated image of the corrupt South Vietnam will live on but perhaps there will be a new, popular re-imagining that will bring some nuance to the popular view of the war's participants.

Suggested reading:

South Vietnamese Soldiers: Memories of the Vietnam War and After by Nathalie Huynh Chau Nguyen (Praeger Publishing, 2016).

Vietnam's Forgotten Army: Heroism and Betrayal in the ARVN by Andrew Wiest (NY Press, 2009).

ARVN: Life and Death in the South Vietnamese Army by Robert K. Brigham (University Press of Kansas, 2006).

Cauldron of Resistance: Ngo Dinh Diem, The United States, and 1950s Southern Vietnam by Jessica Chapman (Cornell University Press, 2013).

Misalliance: Ngo Dinh Diem, the United States, and the Fate of South Vietnam by Edward Miller (Harvard University Press, 2013).

Hanoi's War: An International History of the War for Peace in Vietnam by Lien-Hang T. Nguyen (University of North Carolina Press, 2012).

Van Nguyen-Marshall, "Student Activism in Time of War Youth in the Republic of Vietnam, 1960s–1970s," Journal of Vietnamese Studies 10, No. 2 (Spring 2015): 43-81.

Nu-Anh Tran, "South Vietnamese Identity, American Intervention and the Newspaper Chính Luận [Political Discussion], 1965-1969." Journal of Vietnamese Studies 1, no. 1-2 (February/August 2006): 169-209.

Edward Miller, "The Postcolonial War: Hue-Tam Ho Tai and the “Vietnamese Turn” In Vietnam War Studies," Journal of Vietnamese Studies 12, no. 3 (2017): 14-22.

Sean Fear, "The Ambiguous Legacy of Ngô Đình Diệm in South Vietnam’s Second Republic (1967-1975)," Journal of Vietnamese Studies 11, no. 1 (2016): 1-75.