If ancient humans migrated into the Americas via a land bring across the Bering Sea then spread from north to south, why are the oldest settlements in the Americas located in Central America and South America, with relatively younger and less evidence of ancient peoples in North America?

by UPPERCASE_THOUGHTS

For example, I'm looking at information about the age of ancient settlements found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_Americas_by_year_of_foundation

Edit: First, apologies for implying Mexico was not part of North America. I should say the oldest settlements seem to be in Mexico, Central America, and South America, and I'm wondering why there aren't older settlements in what is now Canada and the United States.

Though I'm intrigued by this theory that seafaring peoples may have populated lost cities on the Pacific Coast of North America, it's hard to entertain this without more evidence. Underwater ruins have been discovered in other places, like the Mediterranean (though the oldest one seems to be Pavlopetri in Greece, about 5,000 years old, and it seems like the California coast was submerged more than 11,000 years ago).

It also still troubles me that there aren't lasting settlements further inland as old as those in Mexico or South America. The Pacific Coast has very fertile land further inland, like the Central Valley and Columbia River Valley, which seems like it could have sustained ancient agriculture. There is also evidence of people living in the very fertile lands of the Southern and Eastern US, yet the oldest known city in the US seems to be Cahokia in Illinois, only about 1,400 years old.

voyeur324

/u/400-rabbits has answered a version of this question with punny horticultural flair before.

EDIT: /u/Snapshot52 has an answer about a North American "cradle of civilization" with links galore.

Pachacamac

I've never seen this list of cities in the Americas list before. I have some reservations about calling sites like Aspero or Caral cities. I'm less familiar with central America, but the Andean cases are suspect. Anyway, the definition of a city is not straightforward or easy, so there's loads of room for debate on that matter. Michael Smith, an expert on urban archaeology, sums it up well in a series of definitions posts. In his latest one he basically says screw definitions and you know a city when you see one.

But there's another issue here: you say you are looking at a list of earliest settlements, but it is a list of earliest cities. Ignoring what I just said about this list, if we accept that all of these are indeed cities, that still is a tiny sample of all settlements in the Americas. Urban living is a very specific type of settlement, and comes into existence as a result of various historical, demographic, and economic reasons.

Most settlements are not cities. Urban living is earlier in Central and South America than it is in North America for various reasons (worthy of another question post). But the key point here is that cities are not a direct outcome of time spent in a region, but a product of specific developments. Smith discusses this in many of his papers, but his 2002 article is a good overview.

So now that we've gotten the cities and semantics aspect out of the way, let's look at your question. Essentially, we need to look at two things: how old are the oldest sites in South America, and how old are the oldest ones in North America?

South America

As /u/Gus_Frin_g said, Monte Verde is the earliest confirmed settlement in South America. While 14,500 years ago has been an accepted date, Dillehay has always said it is older. Dillehay et al. (2015) conclude that it was settled sometime between 15,000 - 20,000 years ago, and Perez et al. (2016) support a similar date. The Arroyo Seco site in Argentina was settled by at 14,000 years ago, suggesting that the southern cone of South America had a growing population by then.

What about the rest of South America? The Pedra Furada site in Brazil has long been argued to have some very ancient dates (as early as 30,000 years ago), but most archaeologists have not accepted this. More recently, new research says the site is at least older than 20,000 years old, but this is still not widely accepted. The main issue is whether the stones that they claim are tools are actually tools, or are natural stones that look tool-like (this sounds straightforward, but some stones stump even experienced stone tool analysts. I speak from experience here). There are actually a few sites in North America that have also been said to date to before 20,000 years ago, but Tune et al. (2018) have argued that all of these sites are entirely natural, and are not in fact archaeological sites.

On the other side of the continent, the site of Huaca Prieta in Peru has basically been continually occupied forever, with an early date of around 15,000 years ago.

Brandini et al. (2017) date the separation of various genetic lineages in South America. They conclude that migration into South America happened quickly after North America was first occupied, and they put 14,500 - 16,000 years ago as the likely first occupation of South America.

There is a lot of debate around any individual early find, but taken together we have good evidence for people in South America definitely by 14,500 years ago, maybe by 16,000 years ago, and mayyyyyyybe earlier. So we can use that as our date for earliest settlements of South America.

North America

Which brings us to your actual question: why aren't there older and more settlements in North America if people came from Beringia? Well, there are:

There are others. A lot of others, if we include all of the ones that are more suspect, but I have been avoiding doing real work for long enough so I'll wrap this up. The emerging picture shows that people came into North America (south of Alaska & the Yukon, at least) by around 16,000 years ago and spread rapidly throughout both North and South America. The Clovis period with its famous fluted points was a local innovation on an already populated continent.

North and South America were, in a sense, occupied simultaneously, at least at the scales that we can observe archaeologically (we typically have error ranges of a few centuries when looking at dates this old). With more data we should be able to get a more precise picture, but we always say that about everything we study.

Note: I've tried to find open-access articles or things that you can get on Researchgate (with an account). Let me know if you can't access a source and I'll try to find an open copy or a similar article that is open access.

Edits: tidying up wording and typos. May have missed some.

bigthink

I'm sorry if this post violates the rules, but I'm wondering if there's any support from historians of the theory that the North American civilizations and settlements were wiped out by natural disasters (volcano eruption, ice age) or if this is still relegated to the realm of conspiracy theory.