Hi! I’ve never posted on reddit at all before, but this seems like the best place I can go to get answers! :-) I’d really like to become an Ancient Greek History professor one day, so that’s basically what I’m aiming for. I’m 18, on my gap year, and just put in my uni application for USYD (I’m Aussie). I already know I’m into the course, ‘cause I met the ATAR threshold, so no worries about that. Here are my real concerns:
In order to qualify for Honours in the BA at USYD, I will have to, amongst other things, complete a 2nd major (my primary major will be Ancient History ofc). My question is, in terms of that 2nd major, is there anything in particular that could help me towards my goals? Honestly I’d really like to choose History; I’m super interested in historiography as a study, and the major offers a ton of options in that regard. Plus, I imagine a solid understanding of historiography would be a major bonus for a professor/academic historian. But would a dual major in Ancient History + History be way too much history? Would a 2nd major in something like Literature or Art History be just as helpful? Or am I better off just choosing a 2nd major I don’t really care for, but could use as a backup plan should the history professor dream fall through?
Thanks to opportunities I had in high school I know that I’m good at writing essays and arguments, and that I generally find most history prior to the industrial revolution to be almost equally interesting. So would I actually be better off looking at a different area of history (rather than Ancient Greece) in terms of job opportunities? I love being able to connect aspects of ancient societies and cultures with our own time, but I’m willing to sacrifice that love, and find those connections in other historical periods, if it means I’ll actually find a job.
Is there anything else you suggest I should start doing now to improve my chances of making it in this path? Any advice is welcome!
Cheers. I know that’s a quite of a wall of text, so I’m not expecting many answers. I’ve just really been dwelling on this stuff! Any responses are appreciated... but save the depressing “don’t bother trying to become a history professor” type stuff for elsewhere, please, unless you just really, really, REALLY don’t think anyone should bother to try. I’ve already googled this stuff enough to have read it all! Thanks!
So, as a collective, our answer to this question tends to be 'don't do academic history as a career'. While most of the best advice previously handed out is from an American perspective, the same broadly applies to Australia (although at least the financial side of postgraduate study is generally less punitive). You are taking a big gamble by making the choice, and it needs to be done with the knowledge that your success will come down to luck. It doesn't matter how good you are, how hard you work, how well you plan - it can still go wrong.
Specifically with regards to the University of Sydney, it's a good uni, has good historians working there and (*cough*) good historians who have been trained there. It will take effort on your part to stand out both academically and individually - I had my first one-on-one conversation with a history academic there in my Honours year. I could have done better in this regard, if I had been willing to put myself out there a bit more, but it's not an unusual experience. With regards to your second major... languages are always useful, and tend to open doors to new sources and literature that are very valuable once you hit the research end of your studies. Options like psychology, anthropology, sociology etc also open methodological doors. I'd advise taking some introductory courses and seeing what you like, rather than planning this out ahead - you've got freedom in your first year to try out a lot of different stuff.
With regards to your choice of specialisation, it matters most that you like what you're studying - a PhD is hell if you can't maintain enthusiasm for your specific subject area. But... ancient history is not a growth field (even by the standards of Australian Humanities research, which is broadly not doing great). I'd consider using university study as a way to reassess your interests and trajectory - take courses across time periods, try out new topics and perspectives. History at university is a different experience than at school, and you may find yourself enjoying different things than you expect. Keep an open mind, especially with regards to subjects which are more vibrant in Australia (non-Western histories, Indigenous history, imperial/global history stand out in my mind as areas where Australian academia is doing well at the moment). Your other option is moving overseas, which is what I did, but that's obviously a big step, and easier said than done depending on your circumstances.
I'd also note that one of the huge strengths of Sydney as an institution is student life. If you're dedicated to making it as an academic, it might seem pointless and distracting to look outside your studies for ways to spend your time. I'd suggest this is the wrong attitude to take - soft skills (event organisation, administration, public speaking...) are as important in an academic career as in any other. Chances are, unless Australian politics changes dramatically in the meantime, you'll be studying alongside a future PM on campus. Getting to know the people around you is - both cynically and not - a good idea.
Hi there, and good luck at USYD! Its reputation for history is well deserved and I hope it'll serve you well. Some basic pointers, which will likely cover some things you're already aware of if you've been ruminating on this for a while. For context, I'm an ANU grad - I'm making some assumptions about USYD's pastoral support.
Finally, and this goes without saying, but keep an open mind. It's worth planning ahead, of course, but there is only so much you can functionally do to plan ahead for a job market that may not exist or may look completely different in 8-10 years. You will be best off planning out your BA with a course advisor, or speaking with your course tutors early next year, about potential pathways and opportunities. Those tutors will almost certainly be postgrad students on the track you're thinking about now, and their advice will be very, very valuable to you.
Plus making friends with your tutor is always a good idea as long as you're not being weird about it.
I hope this helps!