Okay so i am an egyptian and i had a fight with other egyptians about nubians and nubia
I told them that originally nubians were not egyptians they are considered egyptians by today and they are not indigenous to the land entirely
And nubia is now split between egypt and sudan in modern times and modern borders so they are indigenous to the southern part of egypt today but they still used to be separate https://images.app.goo.gl/dfZBs6UA7Pe2L7GZ7
But back in ancient times till medieval times they were not egyptians or they were considered that way at all
They were considered to be another ethnicity of another civilization who nubians and egyptians were different people but had an impact on each other
But some other egyptians suddenly came and accusing me of being retarded and a traitor and i was making this plot to divide us and how egyptians saw nubians as egyptians as they are even in ancient times
And how nubian civilization didn’t exist and how nubia was always a piece or a part of egypt
So which one of us is correct ?
I hate when the answer is "Yes and No", but sadly that is almost always the case in a historical "yes and no" question.
Nubia has always been the eternal southern neighbor of Egypt, and it has alternated between dominated, part and ruler of Egypt. Most of the information we have about Nubia comes from Egypt, so you should take everything with a grain of salt.
Nubia starts showing up in our historical record during Egypt's Middle Kingdom when many incursions and forts are set up south of Aswan. Nubian gold has always been a prized commodity and Egypt has deftly used it to bargain favors and privileges with Mesopotamian, Hittites, Minoan and Proto-Greek powers. As it happens with many chiefdoms in contact with states, Nubia started to adopt many Egyptian practices and soon enough they became very hard to distinguish from Egypt in the archaeological record.
Thutmoses I annexed northern Nubia (further invasions were very complicated: the Nile becomes a beast after a few cataracts and the jungle in hard to penetrate with a standing army), and Egyptians were successful in spreading faraonic religion to Nubia. It is hard to say how much of this cultural influence happened in the Middle Kingdom and how much happened in New Kingdom (with Thutmoses I), but it is clear that by 750BCE Nubia was so "Egyptized" that a local leader could call upon Nubian warrior to declare holy war on Egypt in order to save... Egyptian religion from Egypt. I wrote a little bit about this here.
What is important to understand is the sheer scale of time involved in these events. Between Middle Kingdom incursions and the Egyptian Nubian Dynasty we have a thousand years of distance. When you ask if Nubians are Egyptian, you are really asking "What does it mean to be an Egyptian?". Are you asking if Nubian are Egyptian to Mauntuhotep, during the Middle Kingdom? He would probably say no. Are you asking this to Thutmoses, in the New Kingdom? He could have said "maybe", since he integrated part of the region. Are you asking this to Piankhi and Alara during the Nubian Dynasty? They would definitely say yes.
<Begin the sociological comment that I can delete if the mods ask me to>This is more of a sociological question rather than a historical one, and I am afraid that historical precedent can't help you too much. What it means to be an Egyptian now a days is something that you are way more qualified than I am to answer (I am not Egyptian), all I can tell you is that Nubians were, in the past, considered both as Egyptians and as not Egyptians. They have, nowadays, distinct traits in culture and heritage, and I can see them fully identifying and Egyptians today, there is no contradiction in that. Just like Basque or Catalan people can consider themselves Spanish, Breton can call themselves French, so Nubian can consider themselves Egyptian if they so choose. Egypt has existed for so long that many questions about it can be answered by: "It depends, which millennium are we talking about?". This is one of these questions.
To know more, I strongly recommend The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt, by Wilkinson, and Daily Life of the Nubians, by Bianchi.
They were not considered Egyptians per se but were heavily influenced by (and had an influence on) Egyptian culture. They ended up worshipping the same gods and there are actually more “Egyptian” pyramids in Nubia than Egypt:
Various Kingdoms/civilisations existed in the area known as Nubia such as Napata and Meroe and they were always closely linked to Egypt through trade or military conflict. The Egyptians raided Nubia in the Middle Kingdom and managed to build a few outposts and eventually conquered it outright in the New Kingdom (which made Egypt the wealthiest state in the region due to Nubian gold). The Nubians also conquered Egypt and established the 26th Dynasty.
The (Egyptian) Nubians I’ve met today identity as both Nubian and Egyptian. They’re heavily integrated in Egyptian culture and less isolated after resettlement due to Lake Nasser but are understandably upset they haven’t had the right to return to their ancestral lands, even though it is promised in our constitution.
If you’re interested in a specific aspect let me know and I can recommend readings =)
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