Friday Free-for-All | February 28, 2020

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You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

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###Top 10 Posts

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4,207 100 comments The Mongols conquered massive walled cities in China and the Middle East, so why couldn't they take the much smaller European style stone castle?
3,533 124 comments Have sleep patterns always been the same? I read recently that in the past few hundred years the eight hour overnight was not the norm and people would get up in the middle of the night and spend time together before returning to sleep. Is there truth to this?
3,373 29 comments What were the arguments and how fierce/widespread was the resistance against creating Social Security before it was passed?
3,251 76 comments I'm the 13-year-old daughter of farmers in a remote 13th-century German village. There are about 10 men of roughly my age to choose from. Am I excited about the prospect of "courtship" and getting married, or am I feeling pretty blase about the whole thing? Is marriage just another chore?
2,540 49 comments [Sustainability] How has Shinto, an animist/nature worshipping religion, affected the history of environmentalism, sustainability, and conservation in Japan?
2,535 74 comments I'm living 3000 years ago, anywhere in the world. How did I deal with caring for my toenails so they didn't get out if hand?
2,369 44 comments The Tet Offensive is famously considered a complete tactical failure for the North Vietnamese, but ended up leading to US withdrawal. Did the North Vietnamese command believe that the operation would actually see success or was their only goal to dissuade the Americans from fighting further?
2,365 46 comments In the Band of Brothers series, they come across a group of Nazi prisoners- one of whom was American. How many Americans were estimated to be in the Nazi ranks? We’re they assigned to special units? If they were captured, were they treated differently?
2,193 63 comments [Great Question!] How powerful were translators during ancient, medieval or early modern times?
2,100 43 comments According to feudal Japan, what was to the east?

 

###Top 10 Comments

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2,082 /u/sunagainstgold replies to I'm the 13-year-old daughter of farmers in a remote 13th-century German village. There are about 10 men of roughly my age to choose from. Am I excited about the prospect of "courtship" and getting married, or am I feeling pretty blase about the whole thing? Is marriage just another chore?
1,281 /u/Steelcan909 replies to Who were the slaves in medieval England?
1,141 /u/sunagainstgold replies to I'm living 3000 years ago, anywhere in the world. How did I deal with caring for my toenails so they didn't get out if hand?
887 /u/emperorpenguinstronk replies to The Tet Offensive is famously considered a complete tactical failure for the North Vietnamese, but ended up leading to US withdrawal. Did the North Vietnamese command believe that the operation would actually see success or was their only goal to dissuade the Americans from fighting further?
748 /u/drylaw replies to According to feudal Japan, what was to the east?
692 /u/IceWizardz replies to How has Shinto, an animist/nature worshipping religion, affected the history of environmentalism, sustainability, and conservation in Japan?
650 /u/rate-my-voice-please replies to In the Band of Brothers series, they come across a group of Nazi prisoners- one of whom was American. How many Americans were estimated to be in the Nazi ranks? We’re they assigned to special units? If they were captured, were they treated differently?
572 /u/Total_Markage replies to How did the Mongols manage to win sieges so quickly?
506 /u/WelfOnTheShelf replies to How powerful were translators during ancient, medieval or early modern times?
385 /u/Gankom replies to The Mongols conquered massive walled cities in China and the Middle East, so why couldn't they take the much smaller European style stone castle?

 

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Ugh - well, this is embarrassing.. the Swedish Wikipedia page for Classic/Early Old Swedish leads with a long example from "Hednalagen" a medieval law fragment on dueling.

Problem is, the fragment in question is only known from two early modern sources (1530s, 1607), both of which differ and seem to have made different sets of changes to the same lost original. So the text actually cited is not an actual medieval text but a reconstruction (by Läffler, 1880). The page history reveals some random unregistered user decided was a better text 9 years ago when he replaced the previous sample from the Chronicle of Eric (which is a better example as we've got manuscripts of that as far back as the early 1400s).

But what makes this a really embarrassingly bad example is that it's not even in Old Swedish!! It's mainly in Old Norwegian/Old West Norse. The original seems to have been (per Läffler) a Norwegian copy of a Swedish law (possibly Äldre Västgötalagen, although the fragment isn't in any extant manuscript of it.. the wiki page states as fact that it's from ÄVgL), to explain the fact that it's got a lot of obvious West-Norse words in it. (e.g. the pronoun "ek" is Old West Norse. it was only ever "iak" in Old Swedish, this vowel breaking is one of the defining differences between the East and West dialects of Old Norse) The reconstruction is also older than Classical Old Swedish (e.g. maðr" became "maðer")

Ouch. Shocking that's gone unfixed for almost a decade.

Nathan1123

Hello everyone,

Just for fun, I was perusing the lyrics to the song "Seven and a half cents" from the 1957 musical The Pajama Game. In the song, the characters are listing out things they could buy on a salary of 7.5 c per hour, and detailing the calculations of how they "figured it out". So that got me thinking, "what really would these things have cost in 1957?"

I went ahead and itemized, and in some cases quantified, the things mentioned across the verses of the song, as I show below. However, quickly I realized that simple google searches are woefully inefficient for figuring out exactly what these things used to cost in the past, let alone at any specific date.

I'm not expecting anyone to go exhaustively through the list, but I'm just looking for some ideas or explanations of what sources or methodology I can use to try to obtain that kind of information.

  • Automatic washing machine
  • "A year's supply of gasoline", that is the yearly gas consumed by the average American in the year 1957
  • "Carpeting for the living room", or just the amount of carpeting for a decent sized room, say 80 sq ft
  • Vacuum cleaner
  • 40 in. television set
  • "A trip to France across the seas", that is a round-trip flight from New York to Paris
  • Motorboat
  • Water skis
  • "A foreign car", I guess it doesn't matter what kind of car, as long as it's European
  • "A charge account at the corner bar" - I have no idea what this means???
  • Ping-pong set
  • "With paddles made of gold", or just enough gold plating to cover said paddles, say 480 sq cm
  • "A Sultan in the Taj Mahal" - Well, the Taj Mahal is priceless (ignoring the fact it's a tomb and not a palace), but it originally cost 32 million rupees to construct, which would have been $98 million in 1957
  • "Every room a different doll" - considering the Taj Mahal has 120 rooms, I would presume this to be 120 prostitutes
  • " I'll buy a pajama factory, then I could end up having old man Hasler work for me!", or basically enough stock to own 51% shares of some pajama company that existed in 1957
R0ckStarFish

Question: How was yeast discovered for bread?

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Question: Did kamikaze pilots equip their planes with explosives for higher damage?

Norcalridersf

Just finished the second volume of Volker Ullrich’s Hitler biography. Ordered it from the UK as the us printing isn’t available till September! I really enjoyed the first volume and Thought this was a worthy follow up. The one new thing I learned was that it was confirmed that Hitler had a non descended right testicle according to the Landsberg jail physical he underwent! Lol

moralprolapse

As sort of a meta question, is there any procedure in place to archive the discussions in this sub? The internet is the internet, so I know we colloquially talk about how once you put it out, it’s out there forever. Also, obviously this sub hardly even approaches the status of a secondary source... BUT I can also see it as a resource for scholars centuries from now in terms of historiography. How did historians in the early 21st century vie x, y, and z. Is there any archival project?

tabascun

A question about guided tours in historic places:

I tried guided tours at many places before, both famous and not quite as famous. However, I invariably walk away feeling like they are very superficial, targeted at people who have no idea of historical background; and that I could've learned at least about as much just going on my own. They start from zero ("Did you know the Romans used to rule parts of the British Isles?" / "This is a prime example of Gothic Architecture. Let me explain to you the most important features of it"), and run out of time before they ever get to where I'm learning a lot of new things. I totally get that those are valuable to people who don't have a lot of background, just... not to me.

Does anybody have good hints on how to reliably find more "advanced" guided tours that actually will point our interesting details and provide in-depth insights? I found it very hard to find those. I feel like they must exist, even if they probably end up being more niche and thus more expensive.

hansolo

Why is it every time I see a great question and the # of comments seem high enough so I click only to be disappointed. All comments are deleted and there's nothing there.

AchillesFirstStand

Are there any photos of World War 1 Zeppelin raids over Britain? I can't find any photos of the actual zeppelins in the UK online, only photos of the aftermath.

A photo of a zeppelin over London or something like that is what I'm looking for, purely for personal interest. I have read that over time the raids started to take place at night, to protect against air defenses.