Recently, while entertaining friends, it was revealed that my courtship with my husband was less than orthodox. My friends now think that I'm an asshole for the way that I wooed him.
When I was sixteen, my first husband (Adam) was killed while on Crusade. This news was relayed to me by one of Adam's comrades-at-arms (Robert, 29M) who arrived in Carrick bearing Adam's heart for burial in the family chapel. Although I had been fond of Adam (he was the father of my eldest daughter, after all), and was grieved at the news of his death, I was immediately struck by Robert's appearance and manners. I was, in fact, infatuated: not only was Robert handsome and charming, but as a cousin of the king, he was well-positioned at court and within the realm.
I extended Robert an invitation to stay with me for several days so that he could rest after his journey from the Holy Land and he accepted my hospitality. As I really wanted him to stay with me forever, I instructed my household guard to ensure that Robert was confined to the boundaries of my estate. He was given freedom of the castle and its grounds, though, and I made every effort to be a charming, gracious, and attractive hostess.
After several weeks of chaste companionship, I worked up the courage to propose marriage; either Robert could marry me and become lord of my estate, or, he could remain as my guest indefinitely. He chose to marry me and our first daughter was born nine months after the wedding. In the last fifteen years, we have had eleven children and have enjoyed a largely happy union.
Still, our marriage did cause Robert's cousin, King Alexander III, some consternation. As countess of Carrick in my own right, I was considered an heiress of some importance within the kingdom, a ward of the crown's, and technically, I needed the king's approval to marry again. Yet, as I had married his own cousin, Alexander III could not really object to the match; that said, he fined us heavily before agreeing to allow my new husband the use of my title. By virtue of our marriage, Robert has therefore become the earl of Carrick in addition to the lord of Annandale. He is the administrator of my estate in Carrick, and of my fortune. I am happily the wife of a man that I chose and the mother of many beloved children.
All's well that ends well, right? So, am I really an asshole?
INFO: We're missing some vital information about your husband's mood during the time if his containment. Was he bright and chipper? Or was he resigned and upset? Did he accept the marriage with good humor? Or did he do so reluctantly?
Edit: Upon seeing OP's response, NTA. He seemed to go along with it in good nature, and therefore to the best of our knowledge was not forced into a marriage.
NTA, but people tell me that Adamβs heart was still beating when Robert removed it from his chest.
ESH - Look, I get its hard to date in this day and age but jeeze. This is getting just a little bit creepy. On the other hand, the dude seems to be going along with this surprisingly well. Sounds like ya'll are perfect for each other!
YTA. I'm all for girl power and breaking with gender norms, but kidnapping is never okay. While your lives have worked out good in the end, freedom of choice should be a right of all people.
ESH: I'm sure Robert disliked travelling all that way to meet his friend's titled young widow of proven child bearing, and had no ulterior motives whatsoever, being an unattached, upstanding Christian of advancing years. Or maybe, just maybe, he was a closet predator who got exactly what he wanted.
YTA for sure, unless he never learned he was a prisoner.
If he just hung around enjoying your hospitality and never tried to leave, and never otherwise learned he was confined, then it was true love after all, then and only then NTA.
But if his understanding was that he will eventually die on your property never stepping foot elsewhere for the rest of his days, and the only decision within his power to make was whether to avail himself of your body, then most certainly YTA.
NAH - you're friends aren't wrong, holding someone captive isn't cool .....but since you have been happily married and inlove for 15 years now I'd say alls well that ends well.
I would love for this to become a regular thing,maybe even it's own subreddit!
ESH but seems like in the end everyone was happy, so...
INFO: Doesn't it seem likely that Robert went along with this relatively willingly? being related to the king, it should have been a simple matter for him to petition the king for aid, either before the marriage or before the king ratified it.
NTA, your house your rules!
NAH Thou knowest well that a titled widow of means couldst be forced into marriage by the man of whom thy wast now a ward. Thy fortune and title makest thee a prize many wouldst vie to attain. Though thou hast proven manfully willful to choose thine own husband, depriving thy cousin of his profit from selling thy hand, thou hast paid the fine for thy usurpation of his privilege and right to assign to you your fate.
NTA - Things r/Crusaderkings say.
YTA for sure. You should have waited for the King's permission. Now if, God forbid, Alexander III were to fall from his horse and perish, your Robert would have a strong claim as the Lord of Balliol! Scotland will be plunged into a struggle for succession that will last half a century!
NTA. The people saying YTA are idiots who hate true love. Has history not taught us, that end results is all that matter even if you have to break a few eggs to get it.
Robert did not know what was good for him and had to have you show him thee real path. Now he has double the titles and 11 kids to boot.
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YTA: You are the asshole, King Alexander III did not care about his cousin, and you payed for him like he was his first born son. You should have asked for land to get that
YTA. Yea thou art asshole. Confining others shalt never be comely.
NAH You being a charming hostess probably resulted in him not even noticing he was essentially locked up in your estate! Live a long and happy life.
NTA
I'm rather surprised that King Alexander wasn't more harsh given that you gave his cousin an ultimatum and you didn't ask permission. But such is a sign of the times and it all worked out in the end.
P.S. Great job mods...this thread is hilarious.
NTA I mean nothing's more romantic than forcing a man to marry you amirite?
NTA, your castle, your rules
NTA sweetie, he broke your last husband, only fair he offers an adequate substitute. You offer him a choice, and he choose you. Your castle, your rules.
This is the most comments I've seen on an r/askhistorians post, commenting to put a name on the subreddit :)
r/shitcrusaderkingssay
YTA, I wouldn't put up with that shit
NTA. Course not, Mum. Love ya.
Arriving with your first husbands heart is throwing up so many red flags.
INFO
NTA!
It is commendable how you followed guidance in recent literature and took the instructions in the Roman de la Rose close to your heart. A rosebud in a walled garden is proper.
YTA. Plain and Simple. From a family end I've dealt with controlling relatives before and it never ends well.
And from the point of view of a monarch. WTF dude? There's a reason the King has to okay the big marriages! If he lets you get by then what? I'll tell you what! Elector Counts! Do you want to be ruled by a freaking elected monarch!? I sure don't. And I'm going to make sure that never happens to my empire.
YTA- Laws exist for a reason. Also. That's rape.
ESH. OP for retaining a man and forcing him into a marriage of convenience. (Control your libido woman!) Adam and Robert for going on Crusade in the first place. (The idea that white makes right, and invading a land where they didn't see the inhabitants as people.) Adam for dying stupidly. Robert for hacking Adam's heart out and carrying it back. (Ew)). Alexander III for being so stupid as to fall off his horse at night. The only thing that stops everyone from being TA is that they are all Scottish. So that's ok then.
Edit: I fatfingered ESH because my tingers got fangled. (sorry mod-bot)
NTA - I'm pretty sure my wife did the same thing π€£π€£ She knows what she wants!
NTA. Your empire, your rules.
Oh wait, you don't have an empire do you? I do. For now at least.
I don't think I've ever checked what sub I'm in so often lol, what's going on here?
NTA: 11 kids, Dude came out on top
ESH- considering your position and your husband's relationship with the king (especially since he would technically be considered in the line of succession), you both should have sought the king's blessing first. Frankly, I'm surprised you were able to find a priest willing to conduct the ceremony without first securing the king's approval.
NTA - Sometimes guys just need a little nudge to see what's right in front of them....forever, until they agree.
YTA as kidnapping is not cool. I will admit though, that your general badassery in choosing your own husband for both love and position, especially at such a young age, is admirable.
YTA (following my usual Tuesday night seance, beer and chilli fries I have been possessed by the spirit of your first husband and he has some strong feelings)
Pretty much Beauty and the Beast with the genders reversed. Also, who bangs a beast?
YTA: You were really creepy and besides I think you broke genre conventions of the period by being the one asking marriage.
NTA
NTA. You got your the man you wanted and didnβt let anyone stop you.
NTA, Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. What does that saying have to do with this situation? I don't know I just felt like saying it.
YTA. Thou art a harlot and thou hast acted in behavior unbecoming of a widow. Pray for forgiveness the next time thou art in church.
NTA. It was really inappropriate for your husband's cousin to ask you for money to support your marriage. You do you, hon. Besides, if your husband really didn't want to marry you, he probably could have found a way to escape anyway.
Well this is an april fools post I was NOT expecting
NTA as a woman sometimes we have to seize what power we can.
And after 11 children it seems that all's well that ends well
YTA. As you went a step further than "because of the implications"
INFO: what was he wearing through his confinement? If he visited you wearing shabby, comfortable clothes, thatβs one thing, but if he pranced in with something more form-fitting and formal, well, that would be practically begging for matrimony! Itβs so hard to know since men in our society have learned to tease, so really we need to know some of the other cues he was giving off.
Oh FFS, I forgot what day it was for a second and was so confused. Just what the heck was happening xd
NTA, your prison your rules
Holy crap YTA. The guy totally has Stockholm syndrome. Let me guess he wasnt so blissful for the first weeks but new husbands am I right?
Hold on, this isn't /r/CrusaderKings!
Anyway, NTA.
I'm just here to ask if becoming "lord of my estate" is a euphemism?
^^edit: ^^NAH
NTA Your Property, Your Rules.
I needed some time to process this. Then I remembered that it smy mother's birthday. Thanks for that.
YTA
NTA, he was already the father of your first child.
INFO: Need to know the social class of your companions to make a judgement. But overall judging from what Iβve read, so long as your position is above them, then NTA. Your companions would be fault for speaking out of turn.
I thought I was on r/CrusaderKings
NTA something something red flags something something your house your rules something something lawyer
Notith the assholith
YTA
NTA. Your house, your rules.
NTA your fief your rules
INFO: How did they preserve Adamβs heart on the presumably long journey home? Salted and dried? Cured like a ham?
YES YTA HOLY CRAP I CANT BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED
Nta play stupid games win stupid prizes
Nta major red flags OP π©π©π©π©π©π©π©
As always, ESH.
No, but you must be awfully old.