This is the interview in question.
Then-Prime Minister, later Staatspresident of South Africa, Bathazar Johannes Vorster, had an interview with William F. Buckley in 1974, who pushed him mainly on the moral problems of Apartheid [or "separate development"](e.g. "This doesn't seem fair," "This is immoral," etc.) but Buckley (being American) knew considerably fewer details about the particular situation of South Africa than Vorster did (or claimed to).
Vorster made several factual claims that Buckley wasn't familiar enough with to challenge him on, but that I'm rather skeptical of. I've summarized them and numbered the relevant time stamps. I'm curious to know the truth [or falsity] of these particular factual allegations, or if Vorster is leaving out anything important:
"[Black and white people] settled certain portions of what is now the Republic of South Africa...[the Bantustans] were not 'reserved' for [non-white people], they settled that land and they've got it to this very day and the whites settled the rest....we didn't put them there...they settled that land and they picked that land, and let me say, from an agricultural point of view and a rainfall point of view, it is the best land in South Africa." Timestamp: ~10:30-12:52
"It's not only black people that have been moved; whites are being moved as well. I've just tried to explain to you that whites have to evacuate no less than 7 and a quarter million morgen of land, and blacks are put on that land, well-developed farms and well-developed land." Timestamp: 12:58-13:26
This exchange here
Buckley: If I were a factory owner in South Africa, would I be permitted to fire a lazy white man and hire an industrious black man to fill his shoes?
Vorster: In general, yes.
Buckley: We say 'in general yes,' what would be the exceptions?
Vorster: I can't think of any exceptions at the moment.
Is Vorster representing the situation in 1974 accurately?
Timestamp: 23:32 - 23:24
4.) "We've never forced anybody [out of South Africa], and we haven't got the power to force them out....we haven't got that power and we haven't asked for it." 51:58 (Context: He was specifically being questioned about whether South African political dissidents had been exiled from the country). I realize this is the vaguest claim, so I understand if it can't be answered.
5).
Buckley: The South African Department of Statistics reported in October of 1973, total monthly earnings for the 400,000 white workers in your three major industries at 203 million rand, and the total for 1,847,000 black workers at 145 million rand. And this reflects only the difference in the level of skill, does it?
Vorster: Yes, it's a question of skilled workers as against unskilled workers.
Timestamp: 20:15-20:41
(Nothing to do with the factual questions, just a bit of curiosity: at 19:32 he uses an Afrikaans word that I assume is a profession from context "A white [Afrikaans word] earns exactly the same wage as a coloured [Afrikaans word]." I'm just curious what this word means.)
(Nothing to do with the factual questions, just a bit of curiosity: at 19:32 he uses an Afrikaans word that I assume is a profession from context "A white [Afrikaans word] earns exactly the same wage as a coloured [Afrikaans word]." I'm just curious what this word means.)
You may have been misled by the accent: the profession he mentions is "fitter and turner", which is a person who operates machine tools. I think the American term would be "machinist".