AMA: Jacobitism, Anti-Jacobitism, and the Jacobite Rising of 1745

by FunkyPlaid

Hi folks, I’m Dr Darren Scott Layne (he/him) and I’m an historian of eighteenth-century Scotland with a specialist focus on late-era Jacobitism (1740-1759). I’ll be hanging around this thread 3-7pm UKT (10am-2pm ET/7am-11am PT) to answer your questions. Ask me anything!

Much of my work centres on the Jacobite Rising of 1745-6 and I’m keenly interested in the mutable nature of the ideologies of ‘the cause’ and how the movement was expressed through its plebeian adherents, as well as the policies and prosecution against them. I received a BA from UC Berkeley, my MSc from the University of Edinburgh, and my doctorate from the University of St Andrews. I’ve been studying Jacobitism through its historiography and archival sources for over twenty years, and my pursuits have taken me to many incredible places both urban and rural. Through the years I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time at the Culloden Battlefield and Visitor Centre, where I have undertaken conservation work, presented numerous lectures, and provided historical consultancy for the National Trust for Scotland.

My lifelong research project is the Jacobite Database of 1745, a constantly developing prosopographical repository that seeks to collate as much information as we can find about the people who were involved in the last rising, regardless of what that involvement was. The idea here is to provide both public and professional scholars with a single tool to conduct their research across as many archival and printed sources as possible, which in turn stimulates engagement with libraries, archives, and private collections around the world. The platform is currently being stocked with over 30,000 records to start and, with proper funding, we hope to roll out a public alpha for trial soon afterward.

The project’s research blog can be found over at Little Rebellions, which contains bite-sized case studies from the database, methodological and technical musings, and plenty more from news about the state of Jacobite studies to listicles of must-read books and little-known sources connected to Jacobitism.

I presently have a regular column in History Scotland magazine called Spotlight: Jacobites, and I’m co-editing a collected volume on the differing cultures of Scottish Jacobitism, hopefully due out in 2023. I also serve on the council for the Economic and Social History Society of Scotland as its Digital Officer. I currenly reside in Portland, OR where I volunteer as a docent and educator for the Oregon Historical Society’s outstanding museum in my spare time. My wife is a librarian and we have two cats who don’t do a thing to help me with research.

I’m a passionate advocate of the digital humanities, data and metadata organization, and accessible research. I strongly support generous thinking, collegiality, and collaboration within the realms of both academia and public history. And I also love lots of other historical subjects, including WWII, Vast Early America, and the Italian Renaissance.

Online I can be found haunting the virtual corridors of Twitter (personal and project), and JDB1745 has a page over on Facebook, too.

Today is the 275th anniversary of the 2nd Battle of Falkirk, the largest single battle of the Forty-five campaign. I’m excited to get to your questions and will be around for a few hours after the designated block of time to do some following up with you!

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EDIT #1: We're 3.5 hours in and some really fantastic questions have been posed so far. I'm wading in and trying to get to each and every one, so please bear with me over the next few hours! I'll be around well after our block of time expires, so please check back if you don't hear from me immediately. Thanks!

EDIT #2: Coming up on 5 hours now and doing my very best to catch up with you. I have every intention of answering all of your questions but would like to shore up any new ones by 2pm PT/5pm ET/10pm UKT. It might take me a day or two to get to some of these that require a bit more attention, but I promise to respond ASAP!

EDIT #3: Okay, I'm out of time for today – this has been a wonderfully enjoyable eight hours with you! So thankful for your thoughtful questions and kind interactions along the way. If I haven't yet replied to your post, be sure that you'll be hearing from me in the next couple of days. Many thanks for your time and interest!

FINAL EDIT: Three days later and I think I've gotten through everything here. Apologies for the delays and thanks for being patient with me. Hope to see you again in the subs!

Zeuvembie

Oh cool! Thanks for coming out. I don't know much about Jacobitism - was it all about restoring the House of Stuart to the English/Scottish throne, or were there other aspects of what it meant to be a Jacobite?

Goat_im_Himmel

What sort of motivations were there for the rank-and-file within the Jacobite forces? What did some illiterate farmer from the outskirts of Inverness hope to gain, or see change, by a restoration of the Stuart line?

Also, any thoughts on the 1964 pseudo-documentary Culloden?

AncientHistory

Hi! Thanks for coming out to answer our questions. I never hear much about Jacobitism in the British colonies in the West Indies and North America - was it at all influential in those far-flung outposts?

historiagrephour

Hello Dr Layne, thank you for joining us for this AMA!

I'm an historian of Scotland as well, but my period of focus is the sixteenth century, with some bleeding into the seventeenth century, so I'm not as familiar with the Jacobite Risings or the legislation that was enacted in response to them. That said, I was wondering if you could talk a little about how the Act of Proscription compares to the Statues of Iona? Both were passed in an effort to "assimilate" the Highland clans; however, they seem to have approached the issue in different ways.

artrabbit05

My knowledge of the Jacobites and Culloden has been primarily informed by the book (and now TV) series Outlander by Diana Gabaldon. If you’re familiar with it, How historically accurate is this show? Are there major things it gets right or wrong?

bigiszi

How well versed in the ideology were the majority of Jacobites? Not their leaders but the everyday people who considered themselves to be Jacobites who’s husbands and sons might fight for the cause? I’m really interested in how word spread before the internet- did pamphlets etc have a significant impact on the popularity of the movement?

hankrhoads

Thank you for your time and knowledge! I recently read that a large number of members of Clan Davidson were transported to the American colonies for being Jacobites, but there wasn't any more information. Was this after a lost battle? Something else? If you have any additional information to share, I'd be very interested to hear it! Thank you!

UnderwoodF

The BBC Documentary Series "Battlefield Britain" has an episode about the Jacobite Rising of 1745, and essentially says that unless Prince Charles hadn't been lied to about the size of government forces by Dudley Bradstreet, the Jacobite army could have marched on London and been victorious. Is this accurate? Also, the same documentary makes Culloden out to be a knife's edge style battle, where it could have gone either way. Is this for dramatic effect or is it accurate?

Malthus1

Thanks for doing this AMA!

I have a question - I remember hearing a poem by Robbie Burns entitled “Ye Jacobites by Name” - sung by a folk music singer. I thought it was really good. But then, I read that it was written in the 1790s! Why would Robbie Burns be writing poems in the 1790s attacking the Jacobites? Was Jacobianism still a big deal at the time?

hellcatfighter

Hi Dr Layne! Thank you for doing this AMA!

Why was there such strong support of Jacobitism among Scottish Episcopal Church? Was such support common across both the leadership and the rank-and-file of the Church? Did Episcopal preachers actively call on churchgoers to support the Stuarts during their sermons?

TheHondoGod

Hello Dr, thanks for the AMA. I love your other posts on here. What kind of impact or influence did Jacobite have on how Scotland and England saw each other afterwards? Did it strain integration/unity? I'm not really sure what the best word would be for that.

white_light-king

Is John Prebble's work still decently regarded or badly discredited and out of date? I stumbled across it recently and enjoyed it for its use of language. However, I always worry when I'm reading something 50+ years old that it's badly out of sync with current understanding.

Alex_BurnsKKriege

I’m glad to see you doing this, Dr. Layne! I had a question regarding the nature of the military struggle during the war of 1745-46.

A previous generation of historians often characterized the military struggle where the forces of the government conducted a modern war, while the Jacobites used older tactics based upon the highland charge with sword in hand. More recently, historians have pointed to weapons recovered at Culloden and the idea that the Jacobite Army both practiced and employed more modern fire tactics, such firing by rank.

My question is: do you think that the Jacobite Army was indeed a more forward thinking military organization, as Christopher Duffy has suggested in “Fight for a Throne”? Tactically, were the Jacobites still using the highland charge, just with bayonets rather than swords? Or was effective firepower something that Jacobite military leaders attempted to cultivate?

DirectorAlwyn

To what extent would you say that Jacobitism still resonates today, and is it different in Scotland vs. the diaspora? I'm in my thirties, on the West Coast of the US, and still remember my mom making a particular point of telling me that if we ever visited Scotland we could hold our heads high as our part of the clan only left after having been on the "right" side of every uprising, and we were hunted after supporting Bonnie Prince Charlie.

Since that side of the family has been in the Americas since before the US was a thing, and my family has always been very patriotically "American", this always struck me as a trifle odd.

Donaldbeag

Hi there.

How would you define the conflict between those who joined the Stewart’s cause for a independent Scotland versus the leadership goal to restore the Stewart monarchy to both Scotland and England? (Edit- and Ireland too)

Would the difference in these aims have doomed Jacobiteism from the very start? Or merely postpone a problem?

Geekess2021

Hi. This is a very naive question. To what extent, if any, were there English Jacobites? What were their motives and gains to be made from supporting the Jacobite cause?

jidloyola

Who in the world is Jacob and why was the movement called Jacobitism?

fulltimehistorynerd

Hello! I'm a historian here in the US, with most of my experience focusing on the early, trans-Mississippi frontier. Slavery has become a central part of my research in the past year as well.

I know nothing of the Jacobites outside of Outlander. What was the role of African slavery during the revolution. Was there any abolitionist movement among the rebels who wanted freedom, as there was during the American revolution?

Also, heres a super niche question, but I work at a site where there was a tv show about the main figure in the 1960s. It DEFINITELY impacts the public's perception on the american frontier to thos day. How has Outlander affected your work, research, writing, etc?

Tango-range

Hello! Thank you for doing this AMA.

One thing I'm curious about is the strength of Jacobitism within the English Tories. I've read conflicting views on this: some seem to claim that the English Tories were mainly Jacobite sympathizers (at least between 1714 and 1745), while others seem to think that this phenomenon was highly exaggerated by the Whigs.

I was wondering what your thoughts are on this issue? Thanks again!

Seniorince

Hi! It seems to me that during the 1715 rising, there was much support of the rebellion in the north of England, while in 1745 this support appears to have largely dissipated. Is this perception correct, and if so what were the reasons for the support of jacobitism in northern England, and why did these reasons decline in the decades following the failure of the 1715 rebellion in England, but not in Scotland?

AuxiliaryTimeCop

Maybe you'll know this since it had a role in the Jacobite rebellions...

Is it true that when constructing the Eilean Donan castle, they built the bridge last?

That's what the tour guide said but I think he may have been just pulling my leg.

Gankom

Hello FunkyPlaid! Thanks for the fascinating AMA. I'm very curious, what drew you to this topic/part of history?

As a second question if you don't mind, why call it the Rising instead of an Uprising? I've heard both used pretty frequently but recently the emphasis seems to be on calling it a Rising instead.

BigPappaFrank

Hello! Thanks for the AMA, Its always awesome to be able to learn more about lesser known parts of history!

So I'll pose two questions but feel free to only answer one if you don't have time, first

As I understand it, many of the Highlanders and the Stuart family were Catholic. So my question is, was there any attempt to gain any kind of support in Ireland? Seeing how much of the lowlands and northern England was Protestant, I always wondered if the Jacobites attempted to seek support from the Irish like they did the French.

My second question is, are there any resources to find out which Clans were and were not Jacobite? I've quite often wondered specifically what side many of the clans took if at all, and if those ever fit along feud or rivalry lines.

crrpit

I've always been curious about the persistence of Jacobitism (down to occasionally encountering some very odd Facebook groups in the wild). As an ideology post-1745, how cohesive is it over time? Does it make sense to trace contemporary manifestations of Jacobitism back to 1745 in a direct(ish) line, or is the more modern phenomenon completely distinct from 18th/19th century forms?

mattcasey28

Thanks for taking part in this AMA. What are your thoughts on the show Outlander and what do you think would have occurred had the rebellion been successful?

hubris-hub

What happened to Jacobitism in the decades after The '45?

I ask, because I was recently reading a primary source (possibly Boswell) in which a group of Scotsmen in London in the 1770s were described as drinking to the health of Charles Edward Stuart and yet they were also giving a toast to King George III.

Did Jacobitism very quickly become a "safe" topic for sentimental discussion in polite society?

Obligatory-Reference

Hi Dr. Layne!

I've been interested in the history of Scotland for several years and have been lucky enough to see the Culloden battlefield, so I'm looking forward to checking out the resources you linked here.

I have several questions, so feel free to answer any or all:

  1. From what I understand, the Jacobites under Bonnie Prince Charlie made it all the way to Derby. What caused them to stop and turn around there?

  2. At the risk of venturing into counterfactual territory, what were their chances of actually 'winning'? Would the people of England have accepted another Stuart king?

  3. Is there a good one-volume summary of the invasion of 1745-6 (a la 'Battle Cry of Freedom')? If not, what's a good starting point for someone who's not an academic but is interested in Scottish history?

Thank you very much!

iKnife

Hello, I know I'm late to the party but I'm wondering if you have anything to say about the influence of the Jacobite uprising on the Scottish Enlightenment?