The 1992 song "Baby Got Back" implies that White people in America disdained large female posteriors. Was this, in fact, the cultural norm at the time? And if so, to what degree, if any, did the song itself lead to a change in zeitgeist vis a vis derrieres?

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The song's (in)famous spoken-word intro, spoken by an actress affecting a stereotypical "Valley Girl" accent:

Oh my God Becky, look at her butt

It is so big, she looks like

One of those rap guys' girlfriends

But, ya know, who understands those rap guys?

They only talk to her, because

She looks like a total prostitute, okay?

I mean, her butt, it's just so big

Uh, I can't believe it's just so round, it's like out there

I mean, uh, gross, look

She's just so... Black!

The song also contains the lyric:

I'm tired of magazines

Sayin' flat butts are the thing

Given the apparent proclivity today for larger posteriors across the board, is it true that popular culture and "magazines" in the 1990s militated against them? And was this, as Sir Mix-a-lot implies in the song, a divide along racial lines?

ThetaPapineau

This is actually an amazing question! Although it relates to subjects that are perhaps less light-hearted than Sir Mix-a-lot's song. So I'll just put a little CW here, then carry on with my answer. (This is my first post here, but it relates to my area of studies , ie. the intersection of race and fashion, so I'll jump right in).

CW: racism, sexism, degradation

The spoken word monologue is important to answering your question, especially this part:

"She looks like a total prostitute, okay?

I mean, her butt, it's just so big

Uh, I can't believe it's just so round, it's like out there

I mean, uh, gross*, look*

She's just so... Black*!"*

Criticism of the features of black bodies is something that goes back all the way to the XIXth century colonial empires, where pseudoscientist ideologies tried to justify colonialism. The prominence of certain body parts (in the case of women, the buttocks), were used as arguments to frame black women as extremely sexual and profligate. Some women were even exhibited in human zoos or during scientific demonstrations, the most famous of which is probably Sarah Baartman, who was dubbed the "Hottentot Venus" during her lifetime. This framing of black women during the XIXth lead to a popular perception of black women as overly sexual, promiscuous, etc. In other words, white colonialist fantasies were projected onto them. (For more on this topic, see Robin Mitchell's Book Vénus noire: Black Women and Colonialism in Nineteenth Century France).

These conceptions remained deeply ingrained in western culture. Patricia Hill Collins dedicates the entirety of the sixth chapter of her classic book Black Feminist Thought: Knowledge, Consciousness and the Politics of Empowerment to politics of black sexual womanhood in the United States. In this chapter, she talks about all the ways in which this colonial objectification of black women's body manifests itself in contemporary american society. The so-called hypersexuality of black folks was again used as a justification for the segregation system in the US. While an ideal of purity and virginity was projected as the ideal for white womanhood, black women served as the counterpart of this model and were strongly subjected to objectification. This was further strengthened by difficult economic context that brought some black women to prostitution.

This dynamic is observable in the monologue, with the valley girl establishing clear links between blackness, prostitution and "gross sexuality". There are residues of the colonial period that still permeates today in the form of stereotypes.

As for the 1990s, it is important to remember that this was the decade of the notorious "heroin chic" look, which meant extremely skinny, waifish models. Definitely the polar opposite of what we see today. I would say that theere was a divide among racial lines in the sense that high fashion was (and still is, although not nearly as much) a very white and upper-class environment. Today, fashion coopted a lot of black culture (streetwear, black hairstyles, plumpier figures), although not always acknowledging its roots, which explains the frequent controversies we saw in recent years.

I don't want to make Sir Mix-A-Lot seem like a militant here, he's probably just a guy who love a nice round butt (who doesn't?) but there is certainly something daring and countercultural about his song, that seeks to empower women whose body has been historically invalidated and presented as something shameful. This is kind of the same reason why some people applaud WAP today as feminist and liberating, where others might see it as objectifying. I digress here, as I am more specialized in the colonial period than I am in the 1990s, but I hope this brought the answer you were looking for.

References:

Robin Mitchell, Vénus Noire: Black Women and Colonial Fantasies in Nineteenth-Century France, 2020. Athens: University of Georgia Press, 208pp.

Patricia Hill Collins. Black Feminist Thought, 2nd edition, 2000. New York: Routledge, 283pp.

Nicolas Bancel & Pascal Blanchard. Sexe, race & colonies, 2018. Paris: La Découverte, 544pp.

For the fashion industry in the 1990s, I like Vogue's podcast Fashion: The 1990s which is very well produced, although not very critical. A good complement would therefore be Dressed: The History of Fashion by fashion historians April Calahan and Cassidy Zachary.

Suggested further reading on this specific topic:

Sabrina Strings, Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia, 2019. New York: NYU Press, 304 pp.

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brutankhamun

I'm not a historian by any stretch of the word, nor do I have any African heritage, but I believe I have three specific skills that will help me to adequately answer the two main questions being asked. First, I took a history of Hip-Hop course in college-- it was eye opening and engaging! Second, I dated a girl who was obsessed with Kate Moss. Third, as a major in sociology and globalization, I am always interested in the "how" and "why" certain cultural institutions exist. As Hip-Hop and "Pop Culture" Model/Fashion trends are the two worlds colliding, let's fix those lenses in to place and examine the topic closer.

I'm going to do my best to stay focused to these topics exclusively, but at the root of this all there is a much larger history of African Diaspora and its ever-evolving cultural impact not only on people of African descent who were moved out of Africa via slave-trade, but also its impact on the cultures where those larger African populations now reside. As I go along, there are a few more areas of sociological, cultural and historical interest that I'll mention while attempting not to get too distracted. I'll include some texts that might help you learn more about these areas at the end.

To begin at the nearest beginning, Hip-Hop as we know it today evolved from a cultural out-pour in the late 1970's and early 1980's from African Americans in highly urban environments. The culture of hip-hop manifested itself through four main avenues: graffiti or tagging (visual representation); b-boys or break boys and b-girls (dance); DJs or Disc Jockeys (audio); MCs or Masters of Ceremony (verbal.) Again, to stay focused, we'll fast-forward to specifically DJs and MCs.

Within these dense metropolitan areas, street hangouts and block parties (which were already a common event) began to occur in more modern formats. Although it grew up from humble/varied gatherings, what we look back at today is generally this formula: a DJ (or several) would set up an area (or stage, if available) to play music while friends and neighbors gathered to dance and socialize. The MC (a much less significant role in the beginnings) was there merely to introduce the DJ or entice the crowd-- a hype man, if you will. However, as events went on, gatherings would produce sometimes multiple MCs and they were much more active in livening the crowd by engaging them through call-and-response.

Within the realm of African tribal musical styles exists a very prevalent "call-and-response" music. This is a style that persisted in the U.S. from field songs sung by African American slaves (an individual or few leading a chorus, and then the rest responding with the refrain) to gospel choirs and Baptist churches (the preacher giving gospel and then pausing to allow the congregation to respond aloud with affirmations) up to the topic at hand- MCs. This call-and-response from multiple MCs with the crowd and even with each other, helped develop what we refer to as "Rapping" today.

Cut to Sir Mix-a-lot, a rapper recording "Baby Got Back" in 1991 and releasing it in 1992. The focus of the song is not just, as mentioned, a preference for bigger butts, but is additionally a cultural value statement. With Hip-Hop (and Rapping) rising in popularity enough to gain a U.S. national and global spotlight (Baby Got Back was the #2 selling song in the U.S. for 1992, spent five weeks as the number one song on the Billboard Hot 100 and received a nomination by many musical awards ceremonies, including the Grammy's, as best Hip-Hop song of the year), it became a platform to really vocalize and amplify the repressed cultural expression and representation that this particular generation of African Americans were experiencing.

Again, without diving off the deep-end, there's a wealth of history and exploration if you're interested in learning about other Hip-Hop artists/regions and their varied messages (no surprises: police brutality and discrimination were definitely on the radar as a hot topic.)

The opening vocalist, Amelia Rivas (Dorsey), had commented later that the song was mostly just a challenge to the then current (predominantly white) cultural preference toward dubiously skinny models as the ideal aesthetic-- Which is what we will pivot toward now.

Heroin, AIDS, and Grunge music. (I'm told a strong opener/segue can help maintain an audience for longer.)

Flashback, again, to the 1970's and 80' when the AIDS epidemic began to gain enough traction that major news outlets were covering the story. Articles or exposes would make reference to homosexuality (less relevant to our current topic) and heroin, despite the fact that those were not the only causes of the spread. Again, a lot to unpack on this topic as well, but we'll keep moving forward. Regardless of media coverage accuracy, needle sharing was indeed point of contraction for HIV (the precursor to AIDS.) This simultaneously led to a larger public awareness of heroin use in the U.S. and an (even larger) stigma with its relation to HIV/AIDS. Additionally, heroin's presence in some popular songs of the 1970's, 80's and early 90's (Neil Young, The Velvet Underground, The Beatles, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, etc.) gave it both a dangerous, but enticing allure. In an effort to steer away from the HIV stigma, heroin use began to be snorted instead of injected. This method of use was more in line with the cocaine heyday of the 1980's and subsequently became more approachable by upper and middle class drug consumers.

Then, in the early/mid 1980's, a grunge scene developed, heavily in Seattle, Washington. As time went on, Grunge music (think Nirvana and Pearl Jam) and accompanying counter-culture grunge aesthetic of the 1980's had gone more mainstream by the late 80's and early 90's. Coincidentally (or not?), Nirvana and Sir Mix-a-lot are both from Seattle, which is the unofficial birthplace of the grunge movement. This rise of popularity is relevant, because some of the main "looks" of grunge were pale faces, dark sunken eyes, and underweight figures. To the untrained eye, the grunge look was very much the look of a heroin addict.

The fashion industry separately, simultaneously embraced these grunge-y traits and a very angular, bone-forward look known in the industry as "heroin chic." One of the top models to exemplify this look was none other than the aforementioned Kate Moss, although Gia Carangi would be a more foundational example from the early to mid 1980's.

This gaunt, emaciated aesthetic was gaining popularity in the late 1980's and peaked in the early 1990's, only fading in the mid-90's to be replaced by a slightly fuller figure (think Gisele Bundchen, the informal "new look of fashion") by the late 90's.

In summary, (1) pop culture and magazines in the 90's did indeed focus on being skinny, bony and waifish because of the hype that the grunge counter-culture movement brought alongside the fashion industry's heroin chic-centric models. (2) Both of these microcosms were predominantly white in creation, ownership and perpetuation, and Sir Mix-a-lot's song "Baby Got Back"- being rooted heavily in African American culture and expression- was indeed a response to them.

I hope this helps at all and does some justice to the subject matters at hand. It was very rushed, so, again, I'm sorry for not going in to more detail on some of the tangential details.

If you're interested in general African Diaspora and its effects on global cultures, consider looking at: The African Diaspora: A History Through Culture by Patrick Manning or African Diaspora Identities: Negotiating Culture in Transnational Migration by John A. Arthur

If you're interested in Hip-Hop specifically, consider: Black Noise: Rap Music and Black Culture in Contemporary America by Tricia Rose (or other books by Tricia Rose) or Can't Stop Won't Stop: A History of the Hip-Hop Generation by Jeff Chang

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senordingleberry

I have two points to add to the discussion.

One, although it wasn't at hugely successful as Sir Mix-a-Lot's single, LL Cool J's "Big Ol' Butt" from 1989, was high-profile enough (#13 in the Hot Rap Singles charts) to add to the cultural groundswell that Sir Mix-a-Lot would pick up on. The difference is that LL Cool J's narrator is a lothario, and Sir Mix-a-Lot is making a declaration on behalf of a group...and not necessarily exclusively male, which leads me to my second point:

Two, when the song came out I was in university, and I distinctly remember how it was seen as empowering and even feminist. My feminist-theory TA sung the song's praises before class one day, because of its celebratory nature, honoring body shapes taken as Black and Latina (she was the latter). A lot of rap had been seen as misogynistic at the time, so Sir Mix-a-Lot stood out.

As a confused but horny undergrad trying to negotiate all these ideas I remember thinking, okay, *this* song is okay! So it's okay to appreciate the booty!

Three, the song is really funny, one of the best from that year.