Friday Free-for-All | March 04, 2022

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Previously

Today:

You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.

itsallfolklore

I posted an update on an immature article, "The Twelve Dancing Princesses”, which I wrote 40 years ago.

The abstract is as follows:

This article is a modified version of an item published in 1983: Analysis of ATU 306, “The Danced-out Shoes,” reveals that Irish versions of the folktale drew from translations of the Brothers Grimm, and these include two instances of plagiarism. This raises questions about other rarely expressed narratives identified in The Types of the Irish Folktale (1968), by Seán Ó Súlleabháin and Reidar Th. Christiansen. Research finds no evidence that several tale types (ATU 51***, ATU 577, ATU 840B*, and ATU 870), represented exclusively in the Irish Schools’ Collection, were ever part of the oral tradition of Ireland. These supposedly Irish folktales nevertheless found their way into Irish and international indexes.

It would be easy to let this old dog remain in slumber, but the record needs to be corrected about this example of plagiarism and its effect on international folklore indexes. Perhaps this post will receive little or no attention, but at least it is available (the original publication is beyond obscure).

mimicofmodes

I'd like to announce that I have pre-launched my Kickstarter for Dandies & Dandyzettes, a TTRPG handbook set in Regency England! Also doubles as a guide to the setting for writers!

Valkine

I've probably unlocked my final form by jumping into historical wargaming with both feet - something I always knew was inevitable but had held off on. For the moment it's been all solo-gaming, something I'm hoping to fix this weekend all going well. I've been playing the game Men of Iron by GMT Games which simulates late medieval warfare with a mix of Anglo-Scottish battles, Hundred Years War, and Courtrai just for good measure. I've been having fun with it, although I don't think it's going to make me a diehard hex and counter wargamer, but we'll see! I wrote up my first impressions of the game on my blog, I've since played a second scenario and I'm planning to post that on Monday (and there's a third set up waiting for me to find the time!)

OneWeirdTrick

I am stuck inside with the lurgy so have been working my way through an ancient copy of the Penguin Dictionary of Historical Slang (Eric Partridge). Some of my favourites:

  • He'll fry in his own grease! - i.e. reap what he sowed.
  • That accounts for the milk in the coconut! - exclamation when you have something explained to you.
  • the gaying instrument - euphemism for the male member, presumably from it being 'fun to use'.
  • hot blanketeer - 'a woman who pawns her blankets while they are warm from being slept in'
  • North Country compliment - an unwanted gift.

Everything in this work is, I think, from British English sources, and almost entirely 18th/19th C (though some entries go back as far as 15th C). The great joy of it is flicking through it, rather than actually using it as a dictionary. With many of the terms/phrases, I wonder whether they were actually ever in currency, as they come from one source and don't show up in ngrams.

Having been pointed towards Green's Dictionary of Slang online, I have now ordered the Chambers Slang Dictionary, which is the affordable one-volume version of his work. From what I can tell, Green seems to cover English slang from around the world, give fuller definitions/etymologies and stick to slang that wasn't just used somewhere once!

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Your Weekly /r/askhistorians Recap

Friday, February 25 - Thursday, March 03

###Top 10 Posts

score comments title & link
5,198 49 comments My Grandfather who was an NYPD detective in the 50s, 60s and 70s used to drunkenly brag, that sometimes suspects would be killed and their bodies were dumped into the East River. Are there any actual cases or reports of the police doing anything like that, or is my G. Father just a crazy drunk?
4,074 133 comments Why did Russia inherit the Soviet Union's permanent seat on the UN Security Council?
4,069 254 comments [Feature] Megathread on recent events in Ukraine
2,990 70 comments When did sex become “private”?
2,500 14 comments Why did the Italian/Spanish style of fencing with two weapons (a rapier and a parrying dagger) lose favor to the French style of fencing with a single blade?
2,183 115 comments How did the Russians not discover the New World before anyone else when they're so close together?
2,115 34 comments In the Ridley Scott film Kingdom of Heaven, Baldwin IV of Jerusalem is depicted wearing an ornate mask to hide his leprosy. Did the actual King Baldwin feel the need to conceal his condition in this way? How would contemporaries have perceived leprosy, and was this a cause of stigma against him?
1,775 43 comments Why did the UK and Ireland's cuisine not lean heavily towards seafood like Japan, another island nation close to a continental landmass?
1,757 61 comments How frequently did wartime leaders such as Churchill, Roosevelt, or Stalin take days off work during the war, and how did they avoid burnout working >=16 hour days every day for 5+ years?
1,727 41 comments A common narrative is that World War I was the result of cascading mutual defense pacts drawing ever more nations into the war. Yet NATO with its Article 5 was created just decades later. Are there any notable differences between the WWI treaties and Article 5?

 

###Top 10 Comments

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2,486 /u/kaiser_matias replies to How did the Russians not discover the New World before anyone else when they're so close together?
1,294 /u/smbtuckma replies to Why did the UK and Ireland's cuisine not lean heavily towards seafood like Japan, another island nation close to a continental landmass?
941 /u/imissyourmusk replies to When did sex become “private”?
927 /u/ted5298 replies to Why did Russia inherit the Soviet Union's permanent seat on the UN Security Council?
818 /u/DanKensington replies to How did the Russians not discover the New World before anyone else when they're so close together?
797 /u/RunMyLifeReddit replies to A common narrative is that World War I was the result of cascading mutual defense pacts drawing ever more nations into the war. Yet NATO with its Article 5 was created just decades later. Are there any notable differences between the WWI treaties and Article 5?
796 /u/wethemuggle replies to The constitution of India proclaim the country is a "Socialist Republic", yet India is far from what most would consider socialism. How did this phrasing came to be and what does it mean in the Indian context?
703 /u/EnvironmentalYak217 replies to In the Ridley Scott film Kingdom of Heaven, Baldwin IV of Jerusalem is depicted wearing an ornate mask to hide his leprosy. Did the actual King Baldwin feel the need to conceal his condition in this way? How would contemporaries have perceived leprosy, and was this a cause of stigma against him?
666 /u/hannahstohelit replies to 'The Boy in the Striped Pajamas' is going to get a sequel for some reason, and I've been seeing a few takes that the first book was actually quite problematic. What are the issues with it?
577 /u/WelfOnTheShelf replies to In the Ridley Scott film Kingdom of Heaven, Baldwin IV of Jerusalem is depicted wearing an ornate mask to hide his leprosy. Did the actual King Baldwin feel the need to conceal his condition in this way? How would contemporaries have perceived leprosy, and was this a cause of stigma against him?

 

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AccessDisastrous6614

So general fun question for historians and history buffs alike, if you could elect any historical figure as the president of the US in 2024 who would it be and why?