Friday Free-for-All | April 01, 2022

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Previously

Today:

You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.

khosikulu

I had two of my (co-advised) grad students win major external year-long fellowships, and they found out in the last week, so they're off to research in September! I couldn't be more happy. Sadly, both have been forced to reorient parts of their theses because (both) their work involves Russian America and post-sale Alaska, but there's a lot of material still over on this side for them to access, even in Russian. The fellowships are entirely over here so that's not a problem unless we get some kind of Tau variant something something.

I am curious, for those of my co-flairs who are academics, especially in history and allied disciplines: do you have many colleagues who worked in Russia and its 'client' states (Belarus, etc) and how are they adapting their plans? Hopefully nobody actually got caught out there. We did have a partner of one of our colleagues who had to cut a journey in central Asia short, but that's as close as it got.

The plus side? The State Dept and Dept of Ed may again have some good money for Russian-language instruction soon, so I hear.

Oh, one last bit of good news: half of my loans crossed the PSLF forgiveness line. The other half probably have, but they're evaluating my employment status so it takes time. So I may at last be debt-free, at the sprightly age of 50.

tertiarystagesisyphu

TL;DR -- DNA test proved great-grandmother, a notable 1900s author, lied about who the father of her son was. Family is wondering how we could go about making this a known part of the historical record.

Longer version: My great-grandmother was a somewhat notable author and socialite in the early 1900s. She wrote novels and plays, a number of which were made into Hollywood films. She is well-remembered in the family as a powerful and intelligent person, but not well-regarded as a mother to my grandfather.

About 2 years ago, my father took a DNA test which was expected to show mostly British Isles. However, it instead came back with an overwhelming percentage being Norwegian. Not only that, but it suggested a potential genetic match for a near cousin.

As fate would have it, my father had recently been collecting memorabilia of his family. Among the memorabilia has been a number of his grandmother's novels. When the DNA match showed him this near cousin, he recognized the name as that of his grandmother's favored illustrator for her novels. So... obvously... this changed a little bit of our understanding of the family history to realize she had an affair with her illustrator.

Yesterday, I was telling someone about this story and linked them to the wikipedia articles for my great grandmother and my grandfather, to help with explaining the story.

When I did, the meaning of it finally hit me -- history is wrong about who my grandfather's dad is. And I realized that I'm in an odd position where the truth kinda dies with me and my family unless we document this somehow.

So does anyone know what we can do this situation? Any help would be appreciated.

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Your Weekly /r/askhistorians Recap

Friday, March 25 - Thursday, March 31

###Top 10 Posts

score comments title & link
4,042 49 comments During the 1920s, the Soviet Union was the most sexually liberated society on earth, decriminalizing homosexuality and abortion, promoting free love and encouraging sexual experimentation. A decade later, Soviet society became one of the world's most socially conservative. What happened and why?
4,021 76 comments TIL that except for India, all British colonies were run at a loss. The same apparently went for the French, with Algeria their only profitable colony. Then why did these empires keep their hold over these territories for so long? Was it simply because of the prestige of having a large empire?
3,412 127 comments In the video game Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood based in 16th century Rome it shows people are living in the Colosseum in rooms made of makeshift wooden walls and using old pillars to hang dry their clothes. Is this just fiction or did people actually live in the ruins?
3,166 73 comments Over the last month, the perception of Russia's military as effective and modern has been shattered. During the Cold War, was the Soviet military actually well organized and a serious threat to the west, or was that perception fueled by propaganda?
2,183 40 comments A million soldiers fought at the battle of Changping in 260 BC. How was this logistically possible in China, while similar numbers described in Greco-Persian wars in earlier centuries are thought to be exaggerated or impossible?
2,166 49 comments Is there a particular reason the US Supreme Court is full of Catholics, a religious minority in America who've in the past faced prejudice?
2,139 59 comments How much cheese could I eat in medieval Europe?
2,118 152 comments The 'realistic biblical angel' with hundreds of eyes is the most psychadelic thing I've ever seen. Is there any evidence of psychadelic use or ingestion of hallucinogens in early Christianity?
1,700 67 comments Of all the given names in the Iliad, only Hector and Helen are still commonly used in modern English. Why have these names stuck while other haven't?
1,561 20 comments [Great Question!] The Lincoln-Douglas debates feature nuanced, in-depth policy discussions lasting as long as seven hours. Their audiences were primarily without much formal education. How were these civic superheroes equipped to understand the debates? Was it common for people to be so well informed and devoted?

 

###Top 10 Comments

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3,126 /u/toldinstone replies to In the video game Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood based in 16th century Rome it shows people are living in the Colosseum in rooms made of makeshift wooden walls and using old pillars to hang dry their clothes. Is this just fiction or did people actually live in the ruins?
1,188 /u/KiwiHellenist replies to The 'realistic biblical angel' with hundreds of eyes is the most psychadelic thing I've ever seen. Is there any evidence of psychadelic use or ingestion of hallucinogens in early Christianity?
1,138 /u/kadmylos replies to TIL that except for India, all British colonies were run at a loss. The same apparently went for the French, with Algeria their only profitable colony. Then why did these empires keep their hold over these territories for so long? Was it simply because of the prestige of having a large empire?
1,045 /u/Georgy_K_Zhukov replies to During the 1920s, the Soviet Union was the most sexually liberated society on earth, decriminalizing homosexuality and abortion, promoting free love and encouraging sexual experimentation. A decade later, Soviet society became one of the world's most socially conservative. What happened and why?
1,038 /u/Valmyr5 replies to How much cheese could I eat in medieval Europe?
836 /u/Kochevnik81 replies to Why did Eastern Europe do so much better than Russia after the fall of communism?
675 /u/Holy_Shit_HeckHounds replies to Is there a particular reason the US Supreme Court is full of Catholics, a religious minority in America who've in the past faced prejudice?
619 /u/PositiveWestern replies to The Latin term used for the Children’s Crusade is peregrinatio puerorum, but “puer” in Latin also means “servant,” given the lack of good sources talking about child crusaders, is it possible that the Children’s Crusade was really the Servant’s Crusade?
469 /u/uristmcderp replies to Of all the given names in the Iliad, only Hector and Helen are still commonly used in modern English. Why have these names stuck while other haven't?
339 /u/uhhhh_no replies to Why do some languages have different names for countries. Finnish call Finland Suomi for example. why doesn't every language refer to countries by what they call themselves?

 

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RepealAllGunLaws

Where did the idiom “rail on” someone originate?

thebigbosshimself

Question: Can one apply for a flair throughout the year, or do we have to wait for the next Flair Application Thread to be posted?

xunkuang

Really quickly: I’m starting a study of Zhuxi’s philosophy and I want to find something about Somg dynasty politics and social reforms, any suggestions?

zzing

A little bit of a fun question, but it is quite a serious pondering.

Imagine at some point we have a time machine, and a troll decided to make use of it - to troll historians that came before the invention of the time machine.

So imagine if we found a “throne room” in an Egyptian pyramid with a 20th century toilet.

Or perhaps, a chamber full of atari 2600s next to a chamber full of ET cartridges.

So things that can be verified are modern, but would have been impossible to actually put in there unless it was done in the past.

You might even have tests possible that could prove them thousands of years old. For example, the radioactive markers you would expect in things after 1945 being degraded that long or for some items carbon dating.

How would the profession deal with these kinds of things that would appear to be practical jokes but every test proves they’re ancient?

DialogueSoup

Q: Does anybody have any suggestions or recommendations for books on the topic of women’s work and labour throughout the ages?

Particularly that of which is comparative and or focuses on the working classes (along with other lower castes) and post-pre industrialisation.

rroowwannn

If we developed a view-only time machine, like a TV screen on the past, what's the first time and place you're tuning in to?

TheNerdChaplain

The only way I know how to deal with the anxiety and stress of the devastation of climate change is to think about it in extremely long terms. Which makes me wonder... what will future historians in say, 100, 500, or 1,000 years know about us? So much of what we produce in terms of knowledge, art, culture, politics, and science is digitized, or on paper media that won't last forever, so I often think about how we'll be remembered.

JackMcKrackin

Were the Best of February winners announced? I can find the voting thread but not the results announcement thread

emperator_eggman

Best books on the Holy Roman Empire/Charles V/16th-century European politics?

TheOriginalSoni2

What is a good book or two to start with, if yuo're learning about history for the first time. Not in depth books, beginner books