Today:
You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.
As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.
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I'm in a very grumpy mood and I want to grump about the idea, which I find especially common among my fellow sewing ladies, but even, I think, among historians, that this or that costume in a movie is or is not "accurate". But costumes cannot be accurate or inaccurate, because costumes are not clothes.
They really only superficially resemble clothes. Clothes communicate to the people around you, costumes communicate to the audience. Some overeducated Janeite desperate to prove that Colin Firth is the best Mr Darcy and all others are vulgar failures may claim that the costume of Lizzie Bennet in the latest adaptation would make the people around her think she's a prostitute, but no they don't think that, they can't because they don't exist, they are characters, they have no minds or opinions. They don't exist! Lizzie also doesn't exist! The costume is not communicating to her peers, it is communicating to the audience, and their reaction is the only reaction involved. If they think she looks smart and sophisticated, slightly less rich than Darcy and Bingham, sympathetic and spirited, then the costumes are doing their job, and to hell with the absolutely irrelevant mores of the 19th Century. If you put a green cockade on your character in a French Revolution movie, expecting it to convey that they support the comte d'Artois, you are a total failure as a costume designer -- it communicates nothing to the audience, despite its meaning to people of that period.
But even this indication of character is maybe not even the primary point of costumes, which is to be a visual element in the composition of images. I don't know about you, but I don't dress with the idea of harmonizing with the background, furniture, other costumes etc under certain filters, lighting, color correction etc, any more than I follow a certain path in order to hit my marks in a Spielburgian oner. To complain about costumes being "inaccurate" makes as much sense as complaining that an oil painting is "inaccurate" because, actually, real ife is 3-dimensional, and has sounds, and doesn't all smell like linseed oil. Yes, actually, people didn't wear clothes that look like these costumes; also, actually, they didn't speak English and when they did they said a "um" and "er" a lot, actually time passes linearly instead of being edited as film is, actually things are not flat projections on a cloth screen. And even the most "accurate" costume is nothing like a historical costume; it is sewn on a machine out of modern fabric, made in a completely different way from top to bottom, just as nobody in their right mind would costume a Greek tragedy by pinning someone a peplos and calling it a day instead of painstakingly sewing down every pleat, Mme Gres style, because you must have that control.
Costumes can be good or bad but the criteria never includes "accuracy", and choosing looking good on film or a 2000s hairstyle because it won't alienate the audience from your main character over "accuracy" is not a mistake or indicative of incompetence or ignorance but is exactly what they are being paid to do.
I love when even the History gets META.
I feel like in addition to "Never start a land war in Asia" and "Never invade Russia in the winter," there should be a third rule: Never assume the Americans won't mobilize in time.
That seems to have been a fatal mistake in both world wars by multiple parties.
Your Weekly /r/askhistorians Recap
Friday, June 03 - Thursday, June 09
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5,272 | 100 comments | Why did US prohibition of alcohol seem to require a constitutional amendement in 1919, but 50 years later, Congress was able to prohibit a variety of substances (Marijuana, etc) with a mere act? |
4,015 | 124 comments | In a 1994 episode of the Simpsons they make a lot of jokes about the Republicans party being evil. When did it become culturally normal to characterise the party this way? |
2,686 | 174 comments | Why is old writing (pre 20th century) so tedious and hard to follow? |
2,375 | 28 comments | [Great Question!] Why do Americans and British people have different terms for the same cuts of beef? What caused American and British butchery traditions to diverge? |
2,151 | 33 comments | What were the precursors to Rock, Paper, Scissors? |
2,072 | 56 comments | Bill Clinton has been described as having an indescribable pull by people on Reddit/social media who have seen him in person. Have people who saw deceased charismatic presidents (Such as Reagan, FDR, and JFK) in person said similar things? |
1,733 | 168 comments | Why is it that the CIA interfered with South America so heavily for relatively benign progressive policies, but Europe was left pretty much completely untouched? |
1,637 | 57 comments | "I Was Born on a Pirate Ship" - What's the origin of this pre-Internet meme? |
1,623 | 10 comments | Is there credible evidence that Putin and Russian intelligence services orchestrated the 1998 Moscow apartment bombings? What is the general consensus among historians on this topic? |
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I have a question related to Downton Abbey.
In the late 1800s/early 1900s, would the adult heirs apparent of hereditary titles have continued to live in the main house when they were married and had children?
If the peer in question lived to an old age, the heir could be a senior with children and grandchildren of their own before they inherit the title. Would they have continued to live at the main house? What did they do with their lives while they wait to inherit?
Was there a "normal" number of children for a peer to have? Was there a preference for larger or smaller families? I presume that any male who was not the heir would have moved out and found their own livelihood when they reach adulthood and any female would leave when they're married.
Could someone walk me through how to unsubscribe from the weekly newsletter. I have tried numerous time - what exactly do I write in the reply? Maybe I am stupid but it won’t work.