How Was Dazzle Camouflage Applied to RN Ships in WW1?

I was looking at dazzle camouflage in the Royal Navy and had the following questions before I replicate it on a model ship.

How was it applied? Were the ships painted in drydock, or only to the water line? What were the rules for applying the scheme to superstructure and armaments? Were the tops of gun turrets painted?

Were there any studies done that covered the application of angular lines on larger vessels?

I know it's a lot to ask but I would also be super curious to learn more about how the RN used, and thought of the camo itself.

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Understanding inheritance in the early 1800's

Hi all - we were watching the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice, and my son came up with quite a few questions that I think were valid, but I could not answer.

Bear in mind that this is set in the early 19th Century in England.

In the book/film, an upper class family has only daughters. A main thrust of the book is that when the father ultimately dies, neither his wife nor his daughters stand to inherit the family estate or fortune. They will be out on the street and forced to live on a guaranteed small allowance. The estate (and fortune?) was to be inherited by a male cousin, whom I presume was the 'heir' due to his being the closest male relative. Therefore the daughters are in a race against time to 'marry well' in order to tie themselves to their future husband's fortune.

Can anyone help me understand how this would have worked? I mean, I presume that laws dictated that women could not inherit land or money, and it seems pretty clear that even when they married, their husbands would not have any claim to their family's fortune. But:

- how would that guaranteed allowance have worked? They clearly stated that after the father's death, the women would have received something every month so they would not be destitute. Did the law dictate how much they would get? Who would have set that up? How would it have been maintained? Would part of the father's estate been used to buy an annuity after his death?

- Did the father in a situation like this have any recourse to avoid his family being in poverty once he died? For example, what would have stopped the father from selling the property to a corporation he sets up? Could he then have had the women benefit that way, outside of personal ownership? Couldn't women own stocks, or could shares at least have been placed in trust to them so that their husbands could get it once they married? Or maybe the corporation could set up an entity that would hold on to the property, pay for its upkeep, and provide the women with an allowance – all without the ‘burden’ of them actually owning anything?

- what about the rich widow? this story, like many set at that time, have a mean old very rich widow as a character. How would SHE have gotten her fortune if women could not inherit? I mean, it’s not like she would have been self-made!

Any other insights to property rights, inheritance, and related monetary policy would be very welcome in helping us understand this.

Oh and by the way, in several places in the book, the mother reports that this noble gets ‘5,000 pounds per year’ and that one 'gets 10,000'. My rule of thumb became multiplying by 100 into today’s dollars, but I know it is almost impossible to do that because the economy and costs of things are so drastically different in our world, but – what was she talking about? Was she just speculating on the income from their holdings, or was this something else?

Thanks!

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Where does the idea of using Latin for naming animals come from?

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BETA: Weekly Round-Up and Newsletter | 2020-04-03

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Looking for literature and sources for my "Worsening of the U.S.A.-Japanese diplomatic relations as a result of Second Sino-Japanese war".

Greetings, esteemed historians,

I am a student of Territorial studies, which is preoccupied with social sciences, philosophy, history, international relations and, most of all, history. To become a scholar I must complete my own thesis, the subject of which you can see in the title of this thread.

I am not well-versed in Japanese yet, and as such I cannot properly browse and cite Japanese sources for that matter. As for American literature, I have found several books and entries in the governmental archives which I believe will further my understanding of the issue.

The topics and issues I am most concerned are - the diplomatic correspondence between the countries (the thesis itself is limited by the Pearl Harbour attack of the 1941), diaries of crucial diplomats and politicians for that time (thankfully, several of them are present as parts of the national archive, but only for the U.S.A. side), public attitude to the diplomatic excesses and governmental reaction to them (newspaper articles regarding certain events or long-standing development, for example Panay incident, Mukden incident, Nanjing "incident") and official documents, of both countries, concerning the period and available online.

As such, I would like to ask others who frequent this part of the internet, to recommend me decent, almost academic literature (preferably from the Japanese side of things) which could provide me with new knowledge needed to finish the thesis. I am most grateful and thank you in advance.

Best regards,

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How were non-Muslims exactly treated under Islamic rule?

I've been reading some history about the rapid rise of Islam. Apparently before Islam, the Middle-East and North Africa were occupied majorly by Christians and Jews, Persia by Zoroastrians, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and South-East Asia by Hindus, Buddhists and Jains. How was islamisation in these regions so effective? Was it forced-conversions, heavy religious taxation, or something else entirely?

1 Answers 2020-04-03

Sources regarding Robert O Paxton's work on Vichy France.

Hello all,

Sorry if this falls outside the realms of the community rules, though I've read them I'm not sure if this counts or not. I'm currently undertaking dissertation research for my French degree, where I am looking into the work of American historian Robert O Paxton, and reaction surrounding his work, with a view to showing whether or not France's opinions have shifted towards the facts of the Vichy period. While I've been able to find plenty of reference to a great inital outcry against his work from mainly French commentators, I've yet to find any actual source material for this outcry. I keep hearing repeated reference to anger following the release of the French translation of his first book on the topic, ' Vichy France : Old Guard and New Order, 1940-1944'. What with university resources being limited in these troubling times (what with all the Covid), I'm quite desperately looking for any advice as to where I might be able to find sources on the matter. Any kind of negative opinion would be great, be it from newspapers or public figures.

I thank you all for any help you might be able to give!

2 Answers 2020-04-03

It’s winter 1929. Stocks are crashing. But it’s not clear just how bad it will be. What did the most prepared and aware (or just lucky) individuals do to prepare for the turmoil to come?

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Have you ever wondered why someone would defect and join the other side during a war? I'm here to answer all of your questions about the Kit Carson Scouts during the Vietnam War (1966-1973)!

Hello everyone!

My name is Stefan Aguirre Quiroga, more known to you all as Bernardito, and I've been a moderator of /r/AskHistorians since 2012. I am here today to answer your questions about what I have been researching for the last couple of years: The Kit Carson Scouts during the Vietnam War. The Kit Carson Scouts was a name given to a group of defectors from the People's Army of Vietnam (also known as the NVA) and the armed wing of the FNL (The People's Liberation Armed Forces of South Vietnam, more commonly known in the West as the Viet Cong) who volunteered to undergo training to serve alongside American and later Australian, New Zealand, Thai, South Korean and South Vietnamese forces in the field. The role of the Kit Carson Scouts was to serve as scouts, guides, and interpreters. Kit Carson Scouts often walked point, scouting for hidden booby traps, hidden weapon caches, and signs of the enemy.

The Kit Carson Scout Program (1966-1973) has long remained a curious footnote in the history of the Vietnam War, yet the presence of Kit Carson Scouts prolifierate in accounts by American veterans. I was fascinated by the idea of understanding why soldiers from the PLAF and the PAVN would make the choice to not only defect, but also to volunteer to fight against their former comrades. In addition, I felt that investigating the motivations of the Kit Carson Scouts could nuance the otherwise monolith representation of the PLAF and PAVN soldier as faceless hardcore communist believers or nationalist freedom fighters. The agency of these South or North Vietnamese soldiers and the choices they made made shows them as historical actors who were not passive and who actively made choices that shaped their own lives as well as that of the war. My research into this question resulted in the article Phan Chot’s Choice: Agency and Motivation among the Kit Carson Scouts during the Vietnam War, 1966–1973 that was recently published online in the scholarly journal War & Society (with a print version to come shortly). The abstract reads as follows:

Through a focus on agency and motivation, this article attempts to reach conclusions about the choices made by PLAF and PAVN defectors for continuing their lives as combatants in the employment of the United States Armed Forces as part of the Kit Carson Scout Program. Using predominantly fragmentary personal accounts found in divisional newspapers, this article concludes that Kit Carson Scouts joined for a variety of personal reasons that included the desire for better working conditions, the opportunity to support their family, the search for revenge, and political disillusionment. Additionally, the importance of the individual scout’s choice is emphasised.

I am very excited to share all of this with you. This is only a small part of my research into the subject and I am looking forward to keep writing about it. For those desiring a copy of the article, send me a PM and I will send you a link where you can download it. I am also happy to answer any other inquiries.

AMA about anything related to the Kit Carson Scouts!

21 Answers 2020-04-03

Poetry and Japanese Independence?

I'm working on analyzing how poems have affected various events in history with my middle school students and we found a story about how when the Japanese were gaining their cultural independence from China, they used a poetry library to assert themselves as their own culture.

Can anyone help me fact check this information or, better yet, help me tell the whole story to my students? They are super curious and I'm having trouble finding anything on the topic.

Thank you :)

1 Answers 2020-04-03

In an article from the Nantucket Historical Association, it states that many Quakers on the island were "read out" for participating in the Revolutionary War and War of 1812. What does it mean to be "read out", and what were the social effects of being "read out"?

The exact passage I am referencing: "The Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 were disastrous for the Society of Friends. Their doctrine of pacifism led them to read out of meeting dozens who had supported and/or participated in the “American Cause.”

A link to the article for anyone interested: https://nha.org/research/nantucket-history/history-topics/brief-history-of-quakers-on-nantucket/

1 Answers 2020-04-03

Is the term "Norman conquest" anachronistic?

Were terms such as "Norman conquest" used by the British historiography in order to deny the fact that they were conquered by the French?

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Friday Free-for-All | April 03, 2020

Previously

Today:

You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.

9 Answers 2020-04-03

Why did Turkey never turned to Facism when similar "disgraced" or weakned states such as germany and italy turned to?

After world war one germany turned to facism because of humilation and scrapping of political and geographical power and italy because they were betrayed by the allies and didnt gain the italian regions they were promised. But turkey was another country that was heavily scrapped of its land , resources and political power. Why did it not turn to facism?

2 Answers 2020-04-03

Were their contemporary academic challengers of the questionable historians of the 19th century?

It seems that a lot of the most pernicious historical revisionism and inaccuracies date to the 19th Century, and most had, even then, little supporting documents. I'm thinking of American inaccuracies in particular like Columbus, the literal Triangular Trade Routes of slavery, Lost Cause revisionism.

Did the historians and non-historian writers of these works ever face any challenges in their own time, or was the academic rigor simply lacking in the field?

1 Answers 2020-04-03

Why did Japan ban the consumption of meat, but not Korea or Japan?

Read an article here about the causes and history of Japan's ban on meat. At the end of the article it mentions that Japan absorbed "meat-based dishes from Korea, China, and the West.".

Was Korean agriculture so much richer that it could support the consumption of meat? Or was there some difference in the schools of Buddhism? Japan's population was almost double that of Koreas by the middle of the 19th century though maybe density of arable land vs total arable land created more food, but not enough space for livestock?

2 Answers 2020-04-03

Why did the word "tea" to describe all sorts of infusions catch on in countries where the tea plant never did?

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I've read that Muslim rulers during the time of the Crusades like Saladin would give captured Crusaders a choice of death or conversion. Was the aim of this policy to convert more people or just to humiliate them? Did many Crusaders take the offer and do we have any accounts from them?

1 Answers 2020-04-03

How was PTSD handled during medieval times?

Now I know that "medieval times" is pretty vague, but I'm curious as to how it was dealt with back then. Considering the horrific results on the human psyche during the World Wars and how treating any mental illness for that matter in a humane way is a rather recent procedure, I can't imagine how it must have been hundreds of years ago.

2 Answers 2020-04-03

When did the Norman identity cease to exist in Britain?

When did the distinct Norman identity die out and where and when was the last instance of Norman identification in Britain? Did the Normans try to stay as a distinct conquest group or where they happy to assimilate with the conquered?

1 Answers 2020-04-03

As a young man Sun Yat-sen was known to be fanatically Christian, smashing what he considered to be idols in his hometown in China. How much of his later work with non or anti-Christians such as the Soviets can be considered to be a softening of these views or was it just for political ends?

1 Answers 2020-04-03

“English cuisine tastes the way it does because of rationing.” Was food shortage not a global or European thing during WW2? Was it really that much worse in the UK?

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Acknowledge this long period of history, how long on average would a Knight have served in the middle east during the crusades before returning home and how many "tours" would they do?

I realize I am thinking in modern military terms, but that is largely due to my lack of knowledge in even knowing how to formulate the question. I'm just curious how long the average knight expected to be gone, and when did they expect to return. Did they come and go as individuals or as Army's. Interested in extreme stories of Knights who made multiple trips back and forth between europe and the middle east...

1 Answers 2020-04-03

Nestor Makhno was an anarchist but fought the Red Army. Was he portrayed positively as an anti-capitalist or negatively in Soviet history books?

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Has the importance of the Cotton Gin as an invention been promoted by the Lost Cause?

In high school in Virginia in the 1980’s I was taught that the Cotton Gin was one of the big deal inventions of the world comparable almost to the printing press. This seems silly to me today. Was this a part of Lost Cause propaganda or more likely just a result of cotton being important to the region’s historic economy? If the latter is more likely, is this a case of us receiving the values of the previous slave holding social structure?

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