Why did Virgil/Augustus/the Romans want their mythical founder to be Trojan?

Seems odd to me. For starters didn’t the Romans love the Greeks and their culture? Also seems weird for them to want to claim descent from a group most famous for how hard they got tricked.

I guess the obvious benefit is piggybacking off one of the most famous cultures. Make the most famous story a trilogy and hope no one calls you out. And the Trojans stealing Helen kinda resembles the Rape of the Sabine. But that doesn’t seem like a part of their history they’d want to remember. I guess it would make sense if the Romans hated the Greeks. I always assumed they loved the Greeks.

Also not sure if the Aeneid was a story Virgil wrote or just wrote down. Maybe it would make sense if it were a folk tale?

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Where did the French and British sugar plantation colonies in the Caribbean get their food from?

Reading about the region, it always perplexed me as to how despite pretty much only growing sugar they managed to support a large number of slaves and owners.

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In WWII, the US had two paths to mainland Japan. The Army's involved going through Papua New Guinea and the Philippines, while the Navy's involved "island hopping." The US had enough resources to execute both plans, but do historians have an opinion as to which was better?

In WWII, General MacArthur proposed a plan of invading Japan first by starting in Australia, taking Papua New Guinea, and then taking the Philippines. Taking the Philippines allowed the US to cut Japan off from its oil in Indonesia, and allowed it to serve as a larger staging ground for a future attack on the Japanese mainland. However, Admiral Nimitz wanted the US to gradually take islands in the Western Pacific, and build airfields that would facilitate the taking of more islands. Eventually, the US would take the Japanese mainland this way. This latter strategy is much more iconic, involved the United States Marine Corps, and resulted in famous battles like Saipan, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, etc. In the end, the US had sufficient resources to execute both plans. However, do military historians today have a general opinion as to which strategy was better? My intuition is that the Army's strategy was better because it threatened Japanese logistics more (the US was able to interdict Japanese shipping from Indonesia) and also served as a larger base for an invasion of Japan. What do most historians think?

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How did the Ottomans treat their slaves?

I’ve seen everything online, from part of the family to mass deaths. I know that people were enslaved left right and centre, even Muslims when there was a short supply, but how were they actually allowed to be treated, and how were they actually treated?

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Histrocially, what situations are associated with wealth transfer to lower classes?

Economically, there is a concept of a pareto distribution where all the wealth goes to fewer and fewer people. Historically, you see most people in a town being poor people with one really rich family.

The only times I can think where wealth building occurs for the lower classes is when some new resource or country is opened for wealth generation and established organizations/families are too slow to take advantage of it, or when there are violent revolutions and the existing organizations/families are destroyed. looking on google, I mostly get swamped by people talking about why wealth transfers upwards, but not many talking about the cases when the opposite happens. Does anybody here have any resources that talk about when these situations happen in history?

edit: Histrocially isn't remotely a word. Sorry everyone.

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Most of Japan's former colonies still resent their conquest, years after gaining freedom. But the Taiwanese seem to remember Japanese rule fondly, and have a great relationship with modern Japan. What explains this difference? Did the Japanese treat Taiwan better?

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Did the UN really forget about a platoon of Nigerians in Sierra Leone? Is this video not just poorly made, but an outright fabrication?

So I came across this video called That time the UN Just FORGOT about a whole Unit of Peacekeepers in Sierra Leone

The video itself is quite interesting and as one commenter said, like Seven Samurai and Apocalypse Now. Basically, the UN had a platoon of Nigerian soldiers who were there to protect Lungi Lol but were forgotten about completely. In fact, they were in such long limbo that many of the soldiers deserted and married and lived locally. Among the few remaining Nigerian UN soldiers was a man by the name of Oronto Obasanjo who spoke English with a perfect crisp British accent, was incredibly clean and seemed quite disciplined, and was quite committed to his duty.

Lieutenant Oronto thought that the British soldiers were sent to Lungi Lol to relieve him, but they were not, they were there to face down the RUF and West Side Boyz (tbh I am unsure whether they were involved at Lungi Lol as the video claims.) However, despite being forgotten, Lieutenant Oronto and his men team up with the British forces to take down the RUF and beat them decisively.

This is quite an amazing story and it piqued my interest for many reasons, not least because of how fascinating Oronto Obasanjo and baffled at the idea that the UN could be so incompetent to completely forget about their own men.

However, this is where things start to fall apart very fast. First of all, even without doing any research, this seems really weird. Whenever UN soldiers are killed, it is always a huge deal and often has a massive effect on the reputation of UN peacekeepers. So the idea that they could forget about their own soldiers seems absurd already.

Secondly is communication. I know that communications back then were quite poor compared to now, but 2000 was still in the age of the internet and advanced communications. I find it difficult to imagine soldiers in the 21st century being cutoff like Japanese holdout soldiers post-WWII.

But the thing that got to me the most was when I started looking for information on this. When I tried to look for Lieutenant Oronto Obasanjo, I found absolutely nothing and when I got something, it was from the video. The creator of the video posted some sources, but there was absolutely nothing about Oronto Obasanjo and the more I read on the Lungi Lol confrontation, the more this video appeared not just lazy or sensational pop history, but outright fake history.

And in addition, the video made no mention of Obasanjo after the incident, could not provide a photo of him, and there was no mention of the Nigerian UN peacekeepers after the war. I am sorry, but I find it impossible not to be incredibly difficult to contain my bullshit detectors which are going wild right now.

However, I am not an expert on African history, military history, or Sierra Leone history. I do not want to make this a debunking post, but before I pass this video off as fake history grift, I would like to ask anyone here if they could back up the legitimacy of this video.

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Why is the Korean War often neglected in Western popular culture?

This question is inspired by this news article: America's war in Afghanistan is over, but the country's true longest war with North Korea continues

The article mentions that "The most popular film in the world right now — breaking all box office records, bigger even than the latest James Bond — celebrates China's victory over the American army in Korea 70 years ago." - referring to the film The Battle at Lake Changjin.

In Australia, the Korean War is neglected in school textbooks. When I was in high school we had exactly one day where it was covered in history class. The Korean War also seems to be neglected in popular culture (at least compared to the Vietnam War and the War on Terror). Why is it so neglected?:

  • It is a frozen conflict which could restart even today (so it's important to teach the context of this).
  • Our side didn't start it (Kim il-Sung's invasion of the south started it).
  • While our side backed a murderous totalitarian dictator (Syngman Rhee), we also teach a lot about Vietnam despite our side backing the murderous totalitarian dictator there (Ngô Đình Diệm).
  • The Korean War hasn't ended in an embarrassing defeat of our side unlike the Vietnam War.

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Voting in Soviet Russia?

In 1938, Stalin altered the law to extend the vote to everyone - even the former landed nobility, petty bourgeoisie and so forth whom had been immediately denied equality after the assumption of Bolshevik power. So, my question is, what were the votes for and where did they take place?

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How was potassium nitrate (saltpeter) made before the Industrial Revolution? Was it produced or extracted from natural sources?

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I know it's a bit too much to ask but...

Well, I've been trying to put together the history of the world.

Like how, why and when did Romani people got persecuted, how did Genghis Kan went down on history, what were really like the Inca and Mayan empires, what were the most important wars that ever happened apart from war I and 2, how slaved ended and where it kind of didn't, what was it like the 50's segregation in USA, when and why the silk road came to be etc....

I'm trying to put together a lot and hopefuly plug the holes of my ignorance.

I know it's a lot to ask, but what books do you recomend to understand the big picture?

It can be big sum up, or different books, or a series... anything that you thik is mandatory read to really understand that stuff.

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When did the practice of wine being served almost exclusively in stemed glasses start? Why?

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Do we know much about what the life of the last Neanderthal would be like?

Would they have known they were the last of their species? When did this happen? What where there forces that drove the Neanderthal species to extinction?

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Sulla's Memoirs

I was wondering if there is a pdf of what remains from Sulla's Memoirs, preferably in english as well. I am aware that they are used by Plutarch in his lives but I was hopping to find the actual work.

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How much of Greek myth did the ancient greeks actually believe, and how much did they interpret as fiction?

Like would they have taken the twelve labors of Hercules literally? Woud they believe that there was a man-bull hybrid under Crete? Did they think someone actually flew to close to the sun? Or would they say they are fictional events that feature the deities they believe in?

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Baron Hiroshi Oshima, Japanese Ambassador to Germany During WWII: What was he "Baron" of?

In many written sources (e.g. this excerpt from the NSA as well as his Wikipedia page, not that that is authoritative) Oshima is referred to by the title "baron." What is the source of this title? Was it an honor bestowed by Germany or Japan? Or is it the English translation of a hereditary family title?

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Edmund II was, according to legend, killed by a viking who was waiting in his privy with a spear, is it known if this true or false?

So, i heard this one a long time ago, but i only recently remembered it, and i want to know if it is true or not, and if it isn't true, what really happened?

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Medieval Court Systems

How did Feudal court systems work. I have read that kings would have days where they would sit in court and act as a judge and members of the kingdom could come to court to have him settle disputes. Was there any process of who got to have their case heard? Were there tiers of court systems I.e. commoner goes to local magistrate, lower noble dispute has ruling of next highest up nobility? If so, were there any systems of appeals?

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What are the Vikings military roles/MOSs and social order more detailed

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How far did the USSR actually go in oppressing Christians/religious people as a whole?

Like, as I understand it the narrative is that the USSR was a militant, Atheist state which imprisoned and executed people for being religious.

But that always sort of confused me, because Russia and other former Warsaw Pact nations have a pretty large religious community - Russia itself basically being largely Orthodox Christians, protestants, Muslims and Jews yes?

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In the famous clip from the Eric Andre Show "Do you think Margaret Thatcher had Girl Power?" André mentions some sketchy stuff Thatcher did during the Troubles. What *specific* event is he referring to?

Heres the enchange

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How close were the Greeks to inventing steam power and by extension entering an industrial age, and how was so little of this information from Roman and Greek sources retained by European civilizations after the fall of the Roman Empire?

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What do you do if you have a family secret about an historical figure?

I’m not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but since it is about how we record history, historians seem like the right people to ask.

My grandmother’s parents were artists. Most people won’t know their names, but would recognize one of my great-grandfather’s works. They do both have Wikipedia pages. My local university has a small exhibit about my great-grandmother. There have been a handful of books written about them. Someone recently made a documentary about my great-grandmother that I doubt anyone watched. Basically, there’s a little bit of academic interest in them, but not a ton.

My great-grandfather was a known philanderer. Biographies usually touch on this and his numerous famous affair partners and subsequent wives. This is important for my family secret.

My grandmother recently revealed to my cousin that the woman everyone assumes to be her birth mother is not actually her birth mother. Apparently great-grandmother couldn’t have children. When they were living in London, great-grandfather had an affair with the live-in maid. The maid became pregnant and great-grandmother saw her chance to be a mother. Great-grandfather left for a job in New York City (unclear if before or after they found out the maid was pregnant). About a year later, great-grandmother showed up in NYC with a baby and her own name on the birth certificate as the mother. I have no idea how consenting the maid was to any of this or anything about the maid’s identity.

My question basically is 1) is this something important for art historians who study my great-grandparents to know and 2) how do I share this information with historians? I certainly don’t want to do anything until after my grandmother passes on (she’s deeply embarrassed about the whole thing), but it also doesn’t seem like something that should die with her.

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Many of the earlier Japanese electronic RPGs like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest were heavily inspired by tabletop RPGs, and were very popular. However, there's barely any big TRPG that came from Japan. Why is that?

It just feels weird that a series so popular like Dragon Quest, so clearly inspired by D&D, wouldn't spawn more cultural interest in tabletop RPGs, but when you look at the biggest ones, none of them came from Japan. What's up with this disparity between tabletop and electronic RPGs?

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In 20th century Naval battles (Russo Japanese war, WW1 WW2), were there any examples of sailors who had abandoned ship and were floating/swimming in the water or on lifeboats, encountering enemy sailors who had also abandoned ship?

If these encounters did occur, what were they like? Did the opposing sailors ignore each other? Help each other? Did theyFight??

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