Friday Free-for-All | September 18, 2015

Previously

Today:

You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.

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How accurate is this analogy on how India achieved independence?

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Why did the Japanese army choose to use Katana even though they were trying to westernise everything else? Also how come the post war Japanese defence force stopped arming people with Katana?

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AMA: Federal Segregation and the Gold Star Mother Pilgrimages in the Early 1930s

Hello! There are two of us participating in today’s forum, Rebecca Jo Plant (University of California, San Diego) and Frances M. Clarke (University of Sydney). Our shared interests in the social and cultural ramifications of war led us to collaborate on an article that has just been published in the Journal of American History called “‘The Crowning Insult’: Federal Segregation and the Gold Star Mother and Widow Pilgrimages of the Early 1930s.” (A podcast about the article is available at: http://www.processhistory.org/?p=1036.) Between 1930 and 1933, at the height of the Great Depression, the federal government conducted a remarkable program that allowed nearly 6,700 mothers and widows of deceased World War I servicemen to visit the American cemeteries in Europe where their loves were interred. Yet while these expensive and quite lavish pilgrimages were designed to honor and console the bereaved women, the program insulted eligible African American women by requiring them to travel separately. Moreover, whereas the larger white parties stayed in first-class hotels and sailed on luxury liners, the black pilgrims stayed in facilities like the Harlem YWCA in New York and traveled on second-tier passenger ships. Our paper describes how the NAACP and the Chicago Defender, then the nation’s most widely circulated black newspaper, vehemently protested the government’s decision and ultimately called for a boycott program. While some 25 mothers and widows cancelled their trips and never rescheduled, 279 African American women elected to make the journey in the end, traveling in separate groups overseen during their Atlantic crossing by Lt. Colonel Benjamin O. Davis, then the highest-ranking African American in the U.S. Army. We discuss the responses and experiences of these women, who were forced to weigh calls for racial solidarity against deeply felt personal desires.

During the two weeks the pilgrims spent in Europe, they went on numerous sightseeing expeditions, dined at elegant restaurants, were honored in official ceremonies, and enjoyed variety shows staged just for them by famous African American expatriates like Brick Top (Ada Smith) and Noble Sissle. Upon returning to the U.S., many disputed negative coverage of the pilgrimages in the black newspapers; a few even actively campaigned to persuade other women to accept the government’s invitation. Yet their testimony did little to counter a rumor that began to spread within black communities alleging the women had been forced to cross the Atlantic on cattle boats. Pushed by Democratic political operatives who sought to lure black voters away from the Republican Party, by 1932 the cattle boat rumor had gained widespread currency within black communities. It contributed to African Americans’ rapidly growing alienation from the Republican Party and would ultimately help to shape the collective memory of the pilgrimages, overriding the testimony of the women themselves.

We are happy to take any questions about the gold star mother and widow pilgrimage program. We would also be glad to discuss issues related to racial discrimination, World War I and how the war came to be memorialized and commemorated in the 1920s and 1930s. Finally, we are can respond to questions concerning how differences in regard to class, gender, geographical location shaped African Americans’ views of the gold star mother pilgrimages in particular, and interwar black politics more broadly.

6 Answers 2015-09-18

19th century wages and common costs - how did they buy small items?

Hi all,

In the UK, from my understanding, 19th century 'working-class' could expect something in the region of 10 pounds a year. This works out at around 6.5 pence a day. While currency subdivisions existed (I believe the smallest coin in common use was the farthing), this only gives 26 'coins' to be spent during the course of a day.

Assuming a significant portion were expended on rent, how would a labourer buy a single pint of ale? Half-pint? Loaf of bread? Pint of milk?

Looking at common wages today, one can assume that 800 pounds a month is the minimum working class salary. This leaves 2,600 pence a day, with a pint of milk costing 45p. This kind of value cannot be represented using 19th-century worker's wages, due to the lack of sufficiently small coins.

So did people buy in bulk? Were basic living items substantially more expensive, with rent being cheaper to offset? Did people negotiate in a more ad-hoc manner, such that one would buy all the food required for the day with a single coin, from a single vendor? Did people buy 4 pints of ale in the pub in 'rounds', by buying a large jug to share, with the expectation of reciprocation later?

As an aside, is this one of the reasons that the pound tended to be higher-valued than most other currencies, simply because it had more divisions, and could thus be used to represent more items of 'cheapest possible good'? (240 pennies to the pound, 100 cents to the dollar)

(Forgive me if I'm totally off on all the costs, I expect that a pint of ale would probably be more like a penny anyway, otherwise our current beer costs are horrificly expensive).

Also, super bonus points if someone can cover earlier periods of history! I just figured we'd have more information on the 19th century.

6 Answers 2015-09-18

I need detailed sources on some monuments in Rome.

I can't only find sources that don't go into detail much. I need sources on Tempel of Saturn, Arch of Septimus Severus and the Arch of Titus.

1 Answers 2015-09-18

Did Native Americans significantly affect the Earth's climate during the Middle Ages like this Redditor claims?

The post in question was from a recent TIL on a recent miniature ice age.

1 Answers 2015-09-18

Are many events and claims from WWI still disputed today?

Seen from a childs view. Are German/Austrian children taught (both in school and by their parents/adults) that they were on the "wrong" side, as you will be taught in countries that belonged to the Triple Entente/neutreal (like Norway, where I live).

Is Alsache-Lorraine still a disputed territory? In the sense that German people will tell their children that it actually belongs to Germany. Same with South Tryol, is there still a vibe in the Austrian/Italian population that "they took this from us"?

Will a Belgian/French child have an attitude towards German/Austrian children if they have been taught about the war by their parents/teachers?

These are quite specific, but what is the general vibe of the populations in both sides of the war?

5 Answers 2015-09-18

What centennial commemorations of the Battle of Waterloo took place, if any, in June 1915 when Europe was again at war, with Waterloo allies now enemies and enemies now allies.

3 Answers 2015-09-18

Why have most democratic European countries adopted proportional representation as their electoral system?

1 Answers 2015-09-18

Did Wilson intend for the League of Nations to have an army?

In speech class the other day, my teacher who's a history fanatic made the claim that one of Wilson's ideas was for the League of Nations to become a United Nations with an army. However, I can't seem to find anything to back that up.

1 Answers 2015-09-18

What made Herman Melville think that whales are fish?

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How did cultural values that emerged during the Middle Ages shape the role of women in society?

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How much do we know about the Mayan religion/religious practices? How did the myths/gods associated with the Mayan culture originate?

In the sense, how can we connect their conception of God, or their myths as products of their surroundings.

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Did Hitler ever have any desire of invading German speaking Switzerland? If not, why not?

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It's 19th century England and I'm a full grown 18 year old man looking to join in the army. What would I have to do, what would the living standards be and what would my pay and benefits be?

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If ancient Greece was patriarchal, why was Athena a woman?

2 Answers 2015-09-18

Was Monotheism inevitable?

In the western world, it is clear that Monotheism is absolutely dominant. Ever since some bronze age thinker decided that there was but one God, named Jaweh, some three thousand years ago, the preponderance of western thought has been completely preoccupied with this idea of one overarching god.

Whatever it's adaptive purposes have been, is it inevitable that human society would develop in such a way as to require God as a single entity? The Greeks and Romans had an extensive and complicated hierarchy of deities, and yet they died off, killed by this new God and his followers. What impact, if any, did conversion to Christianity have on the spread of Roman culture? The empire was nearly at its end, and yet one emperor decided to convert to a little known and probably reviled religion, presumably for some political gain. I'm sure whole volumes could be written describing the fall of Rome, but to what extent did the conversion to Monotheism effect that fall?

Is there anything in the historic literature to suggest that Polytheistic societies were doomed to irrelevance, or was Monotheism such a powerful idea that such societies gave way, perhaps even willfully, before the idea of a benevolent, personal god who seems to care less about History than about the problems facing the believer himself

Clearly Western history has been completely dominated by its acceptance of Christianity and it's tenets. It's hard to imagine a world in which there wasn't a scary Jewish God standing astride the whole world and punishing it for its perceived faults.

Perhaps this isn't the correct venue for these thoughts, however I simply wanted to attempt to better understand the undercurrents of our present culture. I don't intend any of this as an attack on any particular religion. Since civilization, as we know it today, arose in the west and has inherited the belief structures therein, I wonder then why the Eastern cultures never rose to any considerable prominence. Even Eastern thought, based entirely on a Polytheistic belief structure has eventually taken on the qualities of the West's obsession with the Abrahamic God and all his vagaries.

It seems as though there really were a God predisposed to helping history through its various trouble spots, although with his own agenda and his own ideas about how History itself should unfold. Such such thoughts are all too likely human fantasy, but somehow this idea that there is something much greater than ourselves has haunted history and influenced its development, even if inadvertently, refuses to die.

2 Answers 2015-09-18

What would the authority and position of a real Sheriff of Nottingham circa 12th century England have been?

In the different retellings of the Robin Hood legend, the character of the Sheriff of Nottingham seems to vary in terms of his authority and social standing. Sometimes he's subordinate to the local nobleman, while other times he's the lord of his own manor. Sometimes he lives in his own castle, while other times he seems to be nothing more than an elected (even if by corrupt means) commoner. Is there any evidence or basis for what the actual authority and position of the Sheriff of Nottingham would've been during the 12th century (when the most popular of these legends take place)?

1 Answers 2015-09-18

How many Roman villas were there in Britain?

I've read that the remains of around 1200 Roman villas have been found in Britain. How many would you guess were there in total, or what percentage has so far been found?

1 Answers 2015-09-18

Are there any descriptions in ancient civilizations of effects similar to what we might call radioactivity today?

Also even if it was never understood what was the first encounter with radioactive material?

1 Answers 2015-09-18

In George Washington's farewell address, he talked about staying out of foreign affairs to focus on American interests, and the evils of political parties. How did the common American feel about this? What about those in the government?

Follow-up question: How did Washington feel about political parties that prompt him to warn about their 'evils'?

1 Answers 2015-09-18

By WWI, France and England had the majority of the world's population under their control. How were they able to tap into this if the places they controlled were largely not industrialized? Did they levy armies from Africa?

2 Answers 2015-09-18

For the four years between the ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was there freedom of speech or press?

Before the Bill of Rights was ratified were the liberties that were guaranteed in those amendments protected in any way for the citizens of the United States? Or were these rights assumed to be protected in the Constitution?

I understand that the ninth Amendment gives us protections beyond the Bill of Rights, but was that implied prior to their ratification?

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What were some of the main reasons the Republicans lost the Spanish Civil War? (Besides Foreign Support to the Nationalists)

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