Jefferson's Initial Draft Absolves Individuals of Personal Responsibility for Slavery??

In an article on Britannica.com

The author claims that in one of Jefferson's initial drafts of the Declaration of Independence, he essentially said individuals aren't to blame.... and instead its the institutions who are to blame. Can anyone verify this with primary sources or let me know where I could read more about this specific passage / claim.

Thanks!

Relevant Text from the website below.

In his initial draft of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson condemned the injustice of the slave trade and, by implication, slavery, but he also blamed the presence of enslaved Africans in North America on avaricious British colonial policies. Jefferson thus acknowledged that slavery violated the natural rights of the enslaved, while at the same time he absolved Americans of any responsibility for owning slaves themselves. The Continental Congress apparently rejected the tortured logic of this passage by deleting it from the final document, but this decision also signaled the Founders’ commitment to subordinating the controversial issue of slavery to the larger goal of securing the unity and independence of the United States.

The Founding Fathers and Slavery | Britannica

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Why did investors panic sell on Black Tuesday, in the crash of 1929?

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Why did German States Fail to Colonize the Americas?

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What happened directly after Rome was declared ‘Fallen’?

Did people just keep going on living in the former Empire despite the collapse of government?

Was there lawlessness? How long after the empire fell apart did its people abandon the idea of Rome?

Are there any historical references as to what it was like to live in the period directly after the fall?

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What was the state of Middle Eastern antisemitism before the creation of the State of Israel?

I’ve seen this narrative a lot online that the Arab world was a sort of paradise for Jews and everything was fine until the zionists arrived. Similarly, I’ve seen a lot of pushback from Jewish activists who cite the second-class dhimmi status and events like the Hebron Massacre. As a Mizrahi Jew myself, I grew up hearing my grandfather’s heart-wrenching stories of nearly escaping being stoned to death and his family experiencing the Farhud. However, these things all happened already after the British Mandate and the Ottoman Empire, and after the advent of Zionism (note: I do believe that persecution of Jews due to supposed zionist connections is still antisemitism). So what was life like beforehand, really? And how did it compare to antisemitism in Europe? Thanks!

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Hello, ¿Did the French Army recruit germans in the years leading up to/during World War 2?

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r/askhistorians

I love the friday notification that I get. The problem is that once I look at it, it disapears from the page and is not (for me at least) re-findable.

Where are these stored so I can visit at leisure.

Apologies if this ends up in the wrong place..

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During the 19th-20th century, when Japan became one of the most powerful states in the world as China fell into disrepair and became antiquated, there was a rise of the ideas of Japanese nationalism and superiority. Did Japan during this time see the Chinese aspects of their culture as “Chinese” or something disconnected and changed to become uniquely Japanese? Was there any scholarly discussion on the potential identity crisis this may have been causing or any push revive old indigenous Japanese practices and ideas and forgo Chinese influenced ones due to their association with failing, subjugated state? Was this topic even a thought on the mind of the average learned man of the time?

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Can anyone run through the significance of red shoes/boots? Or colour in medieval clothing when it pertains to nobility

Hello!

I'm Eastern European/Part Ukrainian/Russian, and I distinctly remember learning something about red boots being symbolic of nobility, either mythically or in real life, in Russian or Ukrainian upper-class culture during the Medieval Era (sorry I can't be much more specific than that). However the only thing I can find online is Louis XIV(?)'s little thing with red heels being a signifier of noble standing. I can infer that that means red was an expensive dye (but yet...I also learned it was rather cheap in Roman times when everyone would dye their stuff red, so how could it be expensive later on?) or at least somehow connected to nobility prior because I doubt King Louis would just make up a fancy colour and role with it.

Any help or links would be appreciated!

PS: This generally concerns mens boots because that's what I remember from cartoons and fairy tales, but I read (...in a vogue magazine article...) that Red has different associations for women, so that would also be neat to hear.

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In medieval times did they dig up sites from ancient times

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The lost library of Alhambra?

I was watching Professor Robert Sapolsky’s lecture on “Chaos and Reductionism” and at 4:35 he discusses European Christian troops landing in Alhambra and discovering a library with more knowledge than the entirety of much of Europe, and he briefly discusses the flood of knowledge which ensued. Is this true? If so, is there a book that explores this period of history - covering the stretch from the dark ages to the rediscovery of lost knowledge and culture? Thank you!

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What happened prior to modern legal constructs if someone was killed in self-defense?

I'm not concerned with the person who died, but rather the one who has to "beat the ride and rap" after. Trials? Evidence? Does the defendant have any special duty to the body in the minutes/hours after? Did they have to "call it in"?

Obviously I have to pick some time and place if I want any specific answers; I like Greece, so how about ancient Athens, pre-Rome? But if your specialty pertains to another place-time, then don't refrain, please spill it.

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How useful do historians and social scientists consider the 14 characteristics of fascism Umberto-Eco laid out in Ur-fascism for defining fascism?

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It also seems like it can easily be applied by anyone to many movements or cultures. For example, I can see a right wing reactionary applying this list to the contemporary "left". For instance:

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  2. Rejection of Modernism which includes the spirit of enlightenment that opened everything up for debate in the name of reason. In the contemporary era many reactionaries came from the pipeline of "Internet Atheists" who applied this doubt/cynicism to issues such as feminism, transgender rights, socialism, marxism to the extent many simply shut them out or ignore them as being in bad faith which they can consider a rejection of the principles of enlightenment

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  7. pacifism is siding with the enemy and permanent warfare: Many of the power structures I listed earlier can be considered large enough enemies that it can get people involved in a life of permanent conflict/warfare. Pacifism can be considered the same as kowtowing to the status quo and many leftists consider violent revolution the only way to replace many of these structures an would see centrists or those looking for peaceful solutions as fascist enablers. This might even blend into 9) action for actions sake

  8. Contempt for the weak: The concept of privilege and fragility can seemingly backdoor its way into this. Those privileged are considered soft, and thus fragile, while the less privileged are considered to have endured more and thus strong. Thus there is a contempt for those with privilege and their weakness

... and so on.

So basically I'm asking, how useful is the Ur-Fascism essay, and what context should it be applied in?

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Friday Free-for-All | October 01, 2021

Previously

Today:

You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.

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If people from an already established empire that speaks an certain language discover another established empire, that speaks a whole New language, how do they get along and break the language barrier?

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Books on Operation Barbarossa from Soviet perspective

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Also please I don't want the whole war, just 1941, I'd say until after Battle for Moscow. No memoirs, biographies, just in general situation Soviets were in. Thanks in advance.

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What was Hitler's position on mandatory vaccinations?

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In 1960 Ruby Bridges was one of six children who passed a test determining whether they could go to an all white school. What was the test, and what was considered “passing” vs “failing”?

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On 2 October 1968, the Mexican army killed hundreds of student protesters, 10 days before the Mexico 68 Olympics began. Why is this event mostly ignored in English-language material when discussing the global '68 protests, or even student massacres in general (as opposed to Tiananmen or Kent State)?

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How true is the claim that the United States of America Inspired the Nazis?

I often hear from a lot of people that the United States is the nation that the Nazis liked the most when constructing racist laws. How true is that claim?

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