Sunday Digest | Interesting & Overlooked Posts | September 11, 2022

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Welcome to this week's instalment of /r/AskHistorians' Sunday Digest (formerly the Day of Reflection). Nobody can read all the questions and answers that are posted here, so in this thread we invite you to share anything you'd like to highlight from the last week - an interesting discussion, an informative answer, an insightful question that was overlooked, or anything else.

3 Answers 2022-09-11

How is Australia ruled by the same people who rule the UK?

With everything happening recently, I began looking a little bit about history. My world was literally flipped upside down when I found that Australia is part of the countries that the Queen also ruled. Can someone brief me on how history made that possible? Australia is so disconnected from Europe..and not just geographically.

1 Answers 2022-09-11

What was going on in Ireland at beginning of the 20th century (1901, specifically) that might have encouraged my great-great-grandparents to give their children's ages as consistently 3-5 years younger than reality for the 1901 Census of Ireland?

More context:

I've been doing a little digging into my Dad's family history, and I'm pretty sure I have located my great-great-grandparents' entry on the Census of Ireland, 1901 as the names match what we have for other documents and the relative ages are correct (i.e. oldest to youngest seems in order).

However, it gets weird real quick: all of their children (that I have thus far found birth or baptism records for [edit: sourced from digitised church and civic records available online]) seem to be between 3 and 5 years older in reality than the ages given on the census. What I've found so far:

  • The eldest, John, was born in 1876, which would have made him 25 rather than the 20 years recorded on the census
  • my great-grandfather Michael was born in 1879, which would have made him 22 rather than 17
  • Younger sister Catherine was born in 1881, which would have made her 20 rather than 16.
  • Younger brother Dan was born in 1886, which would have made him 15 rather than 11
  • Younger sister Hanora was born in 1888, which would have made her 13 rather than 10.
  • Younger sister Margartet was born 1889, which would have made her 12 rather than 8.

Why would they do this?? My family is intrigued, but we're all Australians and none of us are even amateur historians. Our extremely uninformed questions thus far are:

Was it just a family record-keeping error? Was it usual for ages to be a bit loosey-goosey in early C20 Ireland? Was there something going on that would have made it expedient for only one son to be thought "adult"? Would there be some benefit to having younger children (support or welfare)? Were they fae, and disguising their slower ageing?

Some additional facts, if context helps:

  • my great-grandfather was not necessarily the straightest arrow in the quiver, so shonky is not entirely outside the realm of possibility for this family
  • My great-great grandfather was one or both of farmer and cattle dealer, depending on when you look at the records
  • The whole family lists Cork City as their birthplace, and residence is given in various places in and near Cork City in the records I've found so far.

I'm still hunting down records for the youngest (age given as 6 on the census), and a brother listed as 16 alongside Catherine. I'll update with their details if/when I find them if that would be helpful.

1 Answers 2022-09-11

What happened during the first days / weeks after the Mayflower arrived in Plymouth?

Did the pilgrims just start building shelter and looking for food? Was the immediate area occupied by Native Americans?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Were the Angles Norse or German? Therefore, are the English Norse?

I wondered if the Angles that settled England were Norse because they inhabited southern-mid Denmark before migrating to England. Therefore, are the English actually Norse?

Reason for Asking: I'm wondering how Norse the English are because they were founded by Angles, settled by Vikings (Danelaw) and settled by Normans (Frenchified "Norse-men") so they seem very Norse to me, but they're not considered Norse. Which I don't understand...?

Language Argument: Finally, the language similarities. I've tried learning Dutch and Norwegian. I find the grammar of Norwegian MUCH more similar than Dutch and there seems to be more cognates and even the Norwegian accent sounds English spoken with odd words. English has more in common with North Germanic languages than it does West.

How are the English not Norse with all these connections?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Young historian here, Mexican Revolution?

Mexican Revolution

The Mexican Revolution is a very complicated series of events, any recommendations for videos/reading material to better understand and learn from it. Young historian here.

4 Answers 2022-09-11

My history textbook says British came to India to trade spices. But British do not use spices in their food, at least not the kind found in India. So what was the real reason British occupied India?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

There’s a trope involving disgruntled people throwing tomatoes at people, such as bad comedians and people in stocks. Was this a common thing to happen? And why tomatoes?

2 Answers 2022-09-11

Did the Anglo-Saxons believe in Jotnar or something similar?

I've been searching all over the web, but i can't seem to find much about Anglo-Saxon giants. I found some websites that say that the Anglo-Saxon believed that giants built the Roman ruins, but I'm not so confident with that. I also want to know if the Anglo-Saxons thought that giants were intelligent, or flesh eating savages.
I also wish to know of any physical descriptions of the Anglo-Saxon giants.
Thanks!

3 Answers 2022-09-11

It seems like Europe skyrocketed past Asian superpowers during the 1700s. How did the income per-capita of China compare with per-capita income of Western Europe (let’s say UK) prior to the opium war? Prior to the enlightenment?

Is per-capital income the correct heuristic for living standards? Could wealth inequality be a relevant stat in this scenario alongside per-capita income?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Why did the respective languages ​​not take root in the former colonies of Germany and Italy?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Have we reached a limit of what we will know about Ancient Rome?

I know that there are some artifacts that, using modern technology, can be recovered; but since I assume the majority of documents are long gone will our learning about the ancient world plateau, and has it already?

2 Answers 2022-09-11

What was training like for American Sailors in the 1810-1820 Navy?

I'm writing a book that is set in the Napoleonic Era, starting in 1810 and my character enlists in the American Navy. One thing I'm struggling with is finding anything concerning the level of training they were given, if any, for Foremast Jacks. Does anyone have advice? I'd be most grateful! :)

2 Answers 2022-09-11

Why are the education systems in most US states split into two distinct “U of X” and “X State U” branches?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Why is William immediately Prince of Wales following King Charles’ proclamation, but then-Prince Charles had to go through an investiture ceremony to receive the title in 1969? I understand that a king doesn’t need a coronation to become king, but what about Prince of Wales?

2 Answers 2022-09-11

Did the early US have diplomatic relationships with (or were they recognized by) the Holy Roman Empire?

I understand the HRE dissolved in 1806 but not sure if they were important enough at that time for their foreign relations to even matter?

If they did, who was the ambassador? I know for the time period this would have been a minister not ambassador just using the modern phrasing.

1 Answers 2022-09-11

How did Ancient Greeks know what Sub Saharan Africans looked like 2500 years ago?

I stumbled across this Greek (Athenian) wine cup thats roughly 2500 years old depicting an African Male:

https://artmuseum.princeton.edu/collections/objects/20038?termid=2036550

To my surprise its not the only Greek artefact from around that period that depicts Sub Saharan Africans, my question is how did an Athenian even know what a SSA looked like back then?

I would have assumed any Greek interaction with SSA's would have come come a bit later, maybe with Alexanders conquest of Egypt which would have led to them bordering Nubians?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

How important or useful is invidual skill in large scale battle melee combat?

Most battles are won by good strategy, tactics and well drilled formations, not by extremely skilled warriors. However, one of the most fun things about good fantasy stories is the unmatched skills of the legendary warriors singlehandedly turning tides of critical battles.

I think of: Aragorn, Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister, Selmy Barristan, Conan, king Arthur, Geralt of Rivia, Húrin, Fingolfin, Karl Franz, and I'm sure you all can think of plenty more...

But truly how important is individual skill opposed to formation drills and proper tactics in a realistic non-fictional situation? Can a single warrior (by melee prowess alone, not leadership), change the course of battle?

2 Answers 2022-09-11

What made a colony "profitable"? What were the economic mechanisms and intricacies of places like Dutch Indonesia or the British Raj that made these places generate wealth for the colonial metropole?

It's embarrassing to admit this, but I don't know enough about the actual economic mechanisms that made colonial domains turn a "profit". We often see articles around with headlines such as "British took 45 trillion USD from India", but what was the actual process of extracting that wealth like? Where did all this money go to (company shareholders, the government coffers, a local aristocrat, etc.?), what actually made the colony lose wealth while the Metropole gained it?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Did the word hell come from the Norse or did the word Hel come from the Christians and the Norse had a different name for her?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

Were women in the 19th century actually discouraged to read?

In so many regency/Victorian shows and movies, the heroine is scolded for reading because it would make her undesirable or something. I know knowledge in things like languages and music were appreciated, so this doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me. Is there any historical basis for this? If so, were some genres considered “more feminine/appropriate” than others?

1 Answers 2022-09-11

What history podcasts do actual historians like/recommend?

2 Answers 2022-09-11

In the show Vikings, Ragnar says to King Aella "2000 pounds in gold and silver, that's the price", but why not just ask for gold alone?

Given that Ragnar's raid would have happened like this in real life ... is there any reason why King Aella would not have given Ragnar only silver / any reason why Ragnar would not ask for "2000 pounds in gold"?

Gold is usually more valuable than silver, but would there have been an advantage to having both gold and silver in this time period (~9th century)?

1 Answers 2022-09-10

Why did no English or British king ever style themselves as King Arthur, despite many kings having had Arthur as one of their names? Why was King John not named King John I, and why has there not been a king named John ever since?

4 Answers 2022-09-10

I've seen a lot of posts in the last few days, accusing Britain of stealing $45 trillion of India's wealth. How rich was India that it had so much and how did the British manage it nevertheless?

1 Answers 2022-09-10

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