When Rome was sacked in 410, where were the legions?

Something that I fail to wrap my head around the more I read about is the sacking of Rome in 410. In my eyes, this was the death of Rome, the years after Rome was in a vegetative state (heh) waiting for the coup de grace. However, something I can't seem to grasp is how Rome wasn't in anyway able to defend itself against Alaric and his 3(!) sieges against Rome. It is said that he basically waltzed up to Rome (think it was during the second Siege) virtually unopposed in Italy. Before the third siege, the Pope went up to Ravenna to persuade Emperor Honorious to making peace with Alaric, offering him an Imperial position to make him an ally of Rome again. The pope was accompanied by his barbarian (think Huns?) guards. There were talks about recruiting a massive Hunnic army to fight Alaric, something that never happened. And then of course, after the failed assassination attempt on Alaric during the negations, he would turn, march on Rome and sack it.

How is it that the nation that was able to take Cannae and other devastating defeats in a short time period, which saw an insane drop of the young male population, keep fighting and ending up victorious against an enemy that must have seen like a mythic legend in the form of Hannibal? How did they muster legion after legion against this foe, yet failed in anyway to defend the most holy city (even if it wasn't the capital anymore) in 410 CE? The population of Rome surly was larger in 410 then during the Punic wars, and Rome held much more territory than it did in the past (even if it is now only the Western Empire half and that is also in a state of fracturing). But there are no troops, no significant amount of soldiers or men that are seemingly able to be mustered to defend the State. In the North we have Germanic tribes fight for Rome and its territory against other Germanic tribes. Think it was the Franks that lost a battle for Rome which caused a huge sway of other Germanic tribes to plunge from across the Rhine into deeper Roman territory.

I just can't wrap my head around the fall of Rome. How is it, that we see so many pretenders to the throne in such a narrow time period rise up and fight against Rome, yet when it comes to foreign threats (such as fighting the Huns on the Catalaunian Plains) Rome is seemingly unable to defend itself and relies on mercenaries and settled tribes that in no way have been integrated into the Roman life to fight off the foreign threat, even if it is only for the last few years of its existence.

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Why was the Bismarck so important to the Royal Navy?

The Bismarck was only a bit larger than the Hood, but the British freaked out when it launched.

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Who were the Proletarii in ancient Rome? Were they comparable to medieval serfs?

I think I have a pretty good grasp of who the Patricii (aristocrats) and Plebii (Commoners) were, but I've been told that a great number of Romans were actually "Proletarii", poorer than the Plebes and with virtually no political influence. I know the Pleb/Patrician conflict was a huge deal in the early Republic, but what were the Proletarii doing? I know when Gaius Marius reformed the legions he let the Proletarii join and they became the backbone of the legion, but how did they contribute to the roman society prior to that? Is it fair to say they went from politically irrelevant before Marius to the ruling class through the legions under Augustus? How do they compare to medial serfs?

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How much can indigenous American oral history tell us about the precolumbian history of the continent?

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How close was Columbus to mutiny on his first voyage?

In the movie 1492: Conquest of Paradise there is a scene where Columbus manage to convince sailors that were on the verge of mutiny to continue their voyage. How accurate is this portray, was he anywhere near to mutiny and going back home?

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During the Three Kingdoms period, how important was the Sun-Liu alliance in resisting Cao Cao's invasion?

So from my understanding, Sun Quan had a pretty good position in the Southland even before Red Cliffs. I understand that his land was stable, wealthy (at least in comparison to other lords), and the military was in a good state. He also had the natural fortification that the Yangtze provided for defense.

It seems like at the time Liu Bei only had what was basically a remnant force from his defeat in the Battle of Changban, accompanied by whatever forces Liu Qi brought with him from Jiangxia Commandery. Given his situation, It's hard to see what Liu Bei had to offer in the alliance. Even more strange to me is that it was a apparently an envoy from the Southland, Lu Su, who suggested the alliance to Liu Bei in the first place.

I've read the parts of the Sanguozhi biographies of Liu Bei and Sun Quan that speak about that battle, but it doesn't really give any information besides "They allied and fought and Cao Cao retreated and they chased him." Other than that source, I'm not sure where else I can look.

I'm not sure if my premise if flawed. But if not, my question is: Why was it important for Sun Quan to form such an alliance with Liu Bei to resist Cao Cao? Was there something crucial that would make it impossible to resist invasion had the alliance not been formed?

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What did the Huns want?

It seems that these days there's broad consensus that most of the 'Germanic barbarians' who invaded the Western Roman empire and became the Franks, Ostrogoths, Vandals and so on were ultimately seeking integration into the Roman Empire, but what about the Huns? Were there also hopes of establishing Hunnic magistri militum, or Hunnic fiefdoms? Were they seeking to create a long-term tributary arrangement a la the Mongols in Russia later on? Or is our source material just too limited?

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During the handover negotiations about Hong Kong, was its inhabitants' citizenship discussed and how was that issue viewed in the UK?

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Did British colonists in Colonial America ever celebrate Guy Fawkes Day, and if so, when did the practice die out?

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Could Allied and Axis pilots in World War Two talk to each other using their radio?

I've seen it crop up in various works of fiction, like this videogame, but was it possible, as a pilot, to tune into the enemy's radio and contact them? And if so, was it ever done?

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Given his position as duke of normandy, what was the relationship of william the first to the french crown after his crowning as king of england?

Was william still a vassal of the french king after taking england?

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The 1987 Japanese game "1942", has the player pilot an American fighter shooting thousands of Japanese enemies. How did Japan view WWII at that time?

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Why was Japan's surrender signed on USS Missouri instead of more veteran ships of the war?

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Is the resurrection the most likely explanation for the circumstances of Jesus' death?

I recently came across this post by Peter Kreeft. In it, he makes the claim that the four main alternative theories to the resurrection, myth, hallucination, conspiracy, and swoon, do not meet historical criteria for a multitude of reasons. There was no reason for them to lie about a resurrection, it could've been proven false immediately if the body was still in the tomb, he appeared to too many people to be a hallucination, the gospels are too laconic to be myth, there wasn't enough time for a myth to develop, and that there is ample proof that the gospels are witness accounts.

Now, I'm no scholar, and I feel as if these were truly conclusive there would be more news about it, but the points altogether seem quite convincing. How accurate are they?

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What was it like to work as a coal miner in America the years following the Civil War?

Preferably around the 1870's-1890's. What was it like for the men working hard labour in shaft mines in the age of "fire in the hole"? What was the structure of command like? Were there mostly independent mines during these times or were larger companies beginning to take hold? Thanks!

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During the Cuban Missile Crisis, did the USSR target any countries on Latin America in the case of a nuclear war?

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Did the Founding Fathers have what we know of as American accents?

Or regional accents like Boston or New York? Did they carry on a slight British accent? I know Alexander Hamilton was from the West Indies, did he have a unique accent?

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It's not uncommon for dreamcatchers to be sold as souvenirs to tourists to prevent nightmares. They are marketed as Native American. Did any Native American groups actually use dreamcatchers or are they a misappropriation of NA culture? If legit, what did these objects mean for indigenous people?

I remember I bought a little dreamcatcher at some historical fort site in the Midwest, US, that my family visited on vacation in the late 90s. It was a small hooped object wrapped in leather with webbing across the center and delicate feathers hanging down. I hung it on the wall above my bed. The web was supposed to catch the bad dreams and let the good dreams flow down the feathers into the sleeping person's head (me) resting below it. So my question is what's the deal with these objects? Did any Native American cultures actually use dreamcatchers, or are they a complete misappropriation of Native American culture to sell tourist trinkets? If they really were used historically, what indigenous groups used them? What did these objects mean for indigenous people or what religious beliefs/cosmologies do they reflect? If they are not actually Native American, where did they come from and why are they viewed as something authentically Native American?

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How did Jesus come to be a popular given name only in Hispanic cultures, and seemingly nowhere else?

Christianity is the most popular religion in the world, so how come only a very small subset of the world names their children after said religion's central figure?

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Economic History: Comparing Western European and American shares of World GDP

My question comes from this graph, from Angus Maddison's world statistics.

Why did American GDP overtake that of Western Europe's in the 1990s ? It's clear that after WW2, America was pre-eminent and Western Europe would recover to overtake the US, but why did the output of Western Europe fail to keep up with the American one during the 90s?

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Ravenna was capital of the Western Roman Empire from 402-455, while the Eastern Roman Empire's capital was at Constantinople for most of its existence, yet both entities called themselves 'Rome'. When, why and how did the state entity of 'Rome' cease to be tied to the city of Rome?

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Friday Free-for-All | May 22, 2020

Previously

Today:

You know the drill: this is the thread for all your history-related outpourings that are not necessarily questions. Minor questions that you feel don't need or merit their own threads are welcome too. Discovered a great new book, documentary, article or blog? Has your Ph.D. application been successful? Have you made an archaeological discovery in your back yard? Did you find an anecdote about the Doge of Venice telling a joke to Michel Foucault? Tell us all about it.

As usual, moderation in this thread will be relatively non-existent -- jokes, anecdotes and light-hearted banter are welcome.

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I’m a black soldier captured by the Waffen SS. Is there a chance I’m treated humanely as a POW or am I just shot on the spot due to my race? What about if I was captured by the Wehrmacht instead?

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How risky was maritime trade during antiquity?

For instance, between the north and the south of the Mediterranean Sea.

  1. Is there an estimation of the risks?

  2. Would this risk be taken into account by a ship-owner?

  3. When was a ship assumed to be lost?

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Beer

Does average beer nowadays tastes better than it was in the past(century or two or five etc. ago). I mean ingredients and recipe wise. And if so how different was the price?

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