Did other societies visit America before Columbus?

Was recently mocking Columbus and US obsession of him with a friend, when they suggested Africans had visited America long before Columbus. This sounded off to me just based on my basic US public system education, but I’m no historian and also am keenly aware that that education is nothing to write home about, especially as it pertains to US History hahaha.

So I find myself a little curious now, what is the academic consensus on this issue? I found a Wikipedia article that dismisses such theories as fringe but I’m wary to just accept this since it squares with my existing belief. And like, all things being equal, it’s not that far out to imagine other societies also developed sufficient navies to cross oceans. There are example of other discoveries that were indeed independently discovered, after all.

Edit: added wiki link. Edit: changed wording a little but nothing crazy.

One final edit: I’d like to clarify this post doesn’t pertain to Columbus himself “discovering” America first, but rather the potential of other societies to cross the ocean to arrive at America and possibly come back, predating the euro-Columbian era.

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Greek mythology: why the harpe?

I was watching the Persieds and got to thinking why did Perseus, Cronus, Zeus, and Hermes use this weapon specifically? In any story, it seems like a detail that must have been necessary or symbolic. Symbolism beyond it was loaned from father, brother, or gifted from Gaia. If they used a sword instead,would the meaning have been lost?

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How popular were the Chinese Classic Novels such as Journey to the West among the population?

These novels like Journey to the West, Romance of the Three Kingdoms are popular even in the modern west. They and their motiffs also seem to be well known in nations like Japan as well.

As I believe literacy was a problem, how popular were these novels when they were written? When did they first gain popularity? How did they cement themselves so much that they are well known even outside China? Any insight is appreciated.

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What kind of impact did the English Civil Wars have on the North American colonies? Did any of the conflict spill over the Atlantic?

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Why was it assumed, when Ben Franklin suggested daily prayer at the Constitutional Convention, that would require hiring a chaplain?

After the Constitutional Convention had been going on for about a month with slow progress, Benjamin Franklin famously suggested that "prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business". Several objections were raised, and it seems that the one that carried the day was that the convention had no funds to hire a chaplain.

Why was it taken for granted that the convention would have to hire a chaplain in order to have prayers, as opposed to e.g. calling for volunteers from among the delegates, having Washington (the president of the convention) call on a delegate daily, or drawing up a rotation? Did the predominant religion(s) at that time and place not allow non-professionals to pray in public?

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How was the average rural English village in the early 17th century governed at the local level? What positions were held and by who?

I was watching The Blood on Satan’s Claw and it shows a village being governed by a Judge of some kind, which piqued my curiosity.

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Is America really a Christian nation?

I’ve heard lots of people say that America was founded on “judeo-Christian values” and that the founding fathers were Christian, and do it should be considered a fundamentally Christian nation. Others say that since freedom of religion is central to the constitution, America can’t really be a Christian nation. As an atheist, I tend to follow this side, but I wanna hear expert opinions. What’s the nuance to this? We’re all the founding fathers religious?

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Did people wear different clothes at home and in public or is that a late 20th century invention? If yes, could you give me some examples of historical homewear?

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Why is there a difference in how Ancient Greeks depicted the ideal male versus the Ancient Egyptians, given Egypt's important role in the Bronze Age in shaping Minoan culture?

For instance, how Greek statues show buff, usually bearded men, versus the slim, fit (but not visibly muscular) Egyptian statues.

Maybe the question is better worded like this: what differences in the definition of masculinity did the Greeks and Egyptians have (say, around the Achaemenid period)? And why were they different from Egypt's definition given Egypt's "cultural clout" in the Mediterranean Bronze Age world?

Were Greek men always depicted in the manner that the average Westerner thinks of? Did it change over time (diverge from a previously more "Egyptianized" style)?

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what prevented Louisiana from becoming a Southern version of Québec?

How did Québec manage to protect the French language and culture while Louisiana did not?

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What did Italians put on their pasta before Columbus bravely discovered the land of tomatoes?

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Why didn't any of the Great Powers that took part in the Crimean war on behalf of The Ottomans participate in the Russo-Turkish war (1877-1878)?

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Are there 15th to 18th century accounts written by Asian or African civilizations about native american nations?

We've got a lot of accounts from Western European nations musing about the new world (the conquistador's chronicles, of course, but also texts written by people who never did the travel, like Montaigne), but are there any such texts written by people who were not western european?
How did they understand the "New World" from their cultural perspectives?

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Why did Telegrams use the word STOP instead of a Period?

Hello everyone, first time posting a question. I'm a telegraph historian and I'm struggling to find a reliable and good source to answer this question. Specifically I'm looking for American or Canadian sources that might provide an answer to its origins. A lot of answers I've heard from people online don't make sense to me either and I'll show some of the common answers I've heard and why they don't make sense to me.

  1. "It was more work/more disruptive for the operator to use punctuation than words."
    To me this seems incorrect when you realize that the American Morse code for a period was ". . - - . ." and the code for "stop" would have been ". . . - - - . . . ." one requires more physical effort and concentration than the other.

  2. Taken directly from the nbc https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11147506, " People would save money by using the word “stop” instead of periods to end sentences because punctuation was extra while the four character word was free."
    This also seems false, though in a less obvious way. For Western Union telegrams rates were somewhat fixed. Telegrams that were 10 words or less were all charged the same, with rate changes based on distance and office location. Any word over that 10 was then charged extra based on the office and distance. While there was seemingly never any hard company rules about how to count punctuation for charging telegrams (in the 1866, 1870, and 1884 Western Union company rulebooks.) The 1884 Western Union rulebook provides a useful example where it states that the figure "44.42" should be counted as 5 words. Meaning every numeral and the "." is counted as a word, the same way "stop" would be. Therefore, so long as you used the "." within your ten words it would be just as "free" as using the word "stop."

  3. "Because the telegraph lacked the ability to use punctuation" or "punctuation code was not invented yet."
    As I have already demonstrated in point 1, this is not true, there was code for punctuation. But, it did get me thinking, when was the code for punctuation introduced into American Morse code? Punctuation was not present in Morse's first patent for his code and telegraph in 1840. The full text of his patent only mentions letters and numerals https://patents.google.com/patent/US1647A/en . Sadly, this is where my research got stonewalled. I could not find a complete and accurate history of the evolution of American Morse code that included any mention of the addition of punctuation past Morse's original patent. However, I am quite sure that for most of the telegraph's history punctuation was an option. I have a telegraph textbook from 1883 that includes code for punctuation, the book "The Telegraph in America" from 1879 also includes code for punctuation, and a Canadian telegram from 1847 has what to me looks like a period at the end of the first line. I also think what looks like the capitalization of the "S" in "She" at the beginning of the second line also supports my reading (https://tinyurl.com/mthwdcax).

  4. "Because during WW1 governments and militaries wanted greater clarity and security in sending, so they used STOP instead of periods to avoid ambiguity."
    I don't know where exactly the originator of this is from, but again this explanation kind of admits that code for punctuation had already existed. I find a lot of people citing a booklet "How to Write Telegrams Properly" from 1928, and it is the earliest example I've found for this explanation's origins. I haven't found any sources making similar claims. Still, this explanation does not make sense to me. The code for STOP (". . . - - - . . . .") is just as likely to be misinterpreted as the code for a period, if not more so as the American Morse code for "O" was a confusing "- -" essentially two dashes with a space between them that's smaller than the space between words. Giving this explanation the benefit of the doubt, let's say militaries preferred having STOP written out because it was harder to miss than a period? That still leaves the question of how and why it would be adopted popularly by people after the war.

In short, I don't know what the origins of using STOP is for telegrams. I think it's likely a form of telegraphese that originally spread through popular culture and public ignorance about the telegraph after wider use of the technology in the 1920s and 30s and it did not come from the telegraph industry. Or, it could have come from the telegraph industry with the introduction of new printing telegraph machines in the early twentieth-century and perhaps they had a technical limitation requiring the use of STOP which previous Morse telegrams that were typed or handwritten did not need to do. However, I cannot find sources to strongly support either claim. It does seem to me like the origin of STOP is from the twentieth-century, post-WW1 specifically, and not from the nineteenth-century, though I'm open to being proven wrong.

If any military historian knows anything about the use of the word STOP in war telegrams and has any evidence to point towards its use in confidential or government business I'd be interested to see it. If any other historians know of STOP's wider use in telegrams or think I may have made a mistake or error in my assessments of these common explanations I'd be happy to hear them out. I would prefer sources for any answers provided if possible. Thank you very much.

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Why has the number of nuns in the United States fallen so dramatically over the past half-century?

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Can you recommend books on US postwar history?

One of my most fulfilling educational experiences was studying US postwar history at high school. Here’s the curriculum I followed. I’m not quite sure why - maybe the crossover between culture and politics, or just the fact that it’s now imbedded in Western culture - but I found it fascinating.

After watching Apollo 11 (2019) recently, my interest has been rekindled. I’m interested in a broad range of topics, including presidents, political events (Watergate, McCarthyism), Vietnam, race relations, popular culture (Hollywood, sports, mass media),... Anything that might convey the particular character of the time to a non-American. The sweet spot is probably between academic and popular histories, but I’d consider either if itcame recommended!

Thanks in advance.

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Recently saw a video where it was stated that, in the past, books used to be stored on a bookshelf with the spine facing to the back. Is there any truth to this? When did we start putting the spine to the front?

Video in question: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRyLrKwE/?k=1

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How widespread was the ritual sacrifice of slaves during Potlatches among Indigenous groups in the Pacific Northwest?

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The religion of Islam declares alcohol haram. But wasn't alcohol used as a way to purify bad water across the medieval world? Was it different in the Near East and Arabia? How did alcohol being haram effect the spread of Islam into Spain and the Balkans or elsewhere, where alcohol was more common?

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In "The passion of the Christ", the Roman soldiers speak latin. Is this historically accurate? What kind of soldiers were statione in Jerusalem, legionaires or auxilliaries and what was their ethnicity/language?

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Were US prisoners of war during WWII given some sort of weekend recreational release?

My grandpa was telling me a story last night, he said that when he was a kid during WWII in San Francisco, Italian families in his neighborhood used to go “sign out for” Italian POW’s and take them to Sunday dinner and play soccer. I was pretty blown away by this story. Is this something that would have been common in this time? Was this allowed for other POW’s such as the Japanese? Was he possibly BS’ing me?

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Could a woman have been elected president of the Weimar Republic according to the constitution? If so, were there any prominent female candidates?

Reading the Weimar constitution and at Art. 109 it states men and women are equal before the law (which I'm assuming includes the constitution):

Article 109: All Germans are equal before the law. Men and women have the same fundamental civil rights and duties. Public legal privileges or disadvantages of birth or of rank are abolished. Titles of nobility shall be regarded merely as part of the name and may no longer be bestowed. Titles may only be bestowed when they indicate an office or profession; academic degrees are not affected hereby. Orders and decorations shall not be conferred by the state. No German shall accept titles or orders from a foreign government…

Which can be interpreted as allowing a woman to be elected president however reading Art. 41 and Art. 46 suggests otherwise:

Article 41: The Reich President is elected by the whole German people. Every German who has completed his thirty-fifth year is eligible for election…

Article 109: The Reich President appoints and dismisses officials of the Reich and officers as long as no other provisions are adopted by law. He can allow the right of appointment and dismissal to be exercised by other offices.

I am however aware of using a default "he" meaning "they" in older texts and other languages.

So could a woman have been president? Were there any prominent candidates?

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What would be necessary to translate the Indus River Civilizations written Language?

Based on all the evidence I’ve seen the Indus Valley civilization is an incredibly unique attempt to organize a civilization, but we know almost nothing of its details because we haven’t learned their written language. What would it take to accomplish that?

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Why did firearms replace both bows and swords/pikes, rather than just bows?

Edit: and crossbows of course

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Who is the Oesho god on the Kushan coins?

As an Indian he very obviously looks like Shiva to me, but some scholars claim that he is the Indo-Iranian god Vayu. What is the basis for this claim? Would the Kushans have percieved the two deities to be one and the same?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oesho#/media/File:CoinOfHuvishkaWithOisho.JPG

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