Did the English longbow replace an earlier shortbow?

I have been doing some research into the history of archery in the British Isles and have encountered two arguments as to the origin and development of the longbow (I am using “longbow” to mean a bow roughy as tall or taller than a man’s height, which gain a reputation for decisive victories in the Hundred Years War).

The first is by Clifford Rogers. He argues the longbow of the Hundred Years War was developed in the late 13 and early 14th centuries, and was a unique and revolutionary weapon. Prior to this, an inferior,weaker, less effective shortbow of 3-4 feet was nearly ubiquitous in Europe. This includes amongst the Normans when they invaded England in 1066, and amongst the Welsh during their battles with the Anglo-Normans prior the 13th century. The only exception was amongst the Vikings.

The second is by Strickland and Hardy, and one similar by Stuart Gorman. They argue bows prior to the 13th and 14th centuries were not exclusively shortbows. (In the case of Strickland and Hardy, they argue the shortbow was a myth). Longbows of the Hundred Years War were the results of gradual improvements upon a pre-existing design. This basic design remained largely the same throughout history. As such, bows similar in design and construction to those of those of the Hundred Years War existed prior to the 13th century, including in during the period of the Norman conquest.

What do you all think? Who do you think has the better argument?

My bias is towards the second argument. I don’t see why the Vikings would have used a bow analogous to that used in the Hundred Years War, only for their Norman ancestors to abandon it for a weaker bow, only to for the superior design to be rediscovered centuries later. Further, given the Viking influence on Britain, I don’t see why a weapon analogous to the bow they used would not have been present in the Isles in the years before and after the Norman conquest. But I am open-minded. Am I missing something?

Sources:

Rogers, Clifford, “The development of the longbow in late medieval England and ‘technological determinism’”, Journal of Medieval History, 37:3 (2011). 321-341.

Strickland, Matthew, and Robert Hardy, The Great Warbow: From Hastings to the Mary Rose, (2005, repr. Somerset, 2011).

http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/77397/Stuart%20Gorman%20Thesis.pdf?sequence=1

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From Wikipedia

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My question was prompted by this wonderful video.

I can think of two factors:

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2.) The intentional eradication of regional languages in continental France following the French Revolution, which radically reduced the prevalence of Basque, Breton, Occitan, and other regional languages once common throughout France. This was done to enable the bureaucratic streamlining and institutional modernization of France, but the result was a lot of suffering on the part of speakers of those languages that were acknowledged by the Republic but not deemed official.

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Sunday Digest | Interesting & Overlooked Posts | April 03, 2022

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Welcome to this week's instalment of /r/AskHistorians' Sunday Digest (formerly the Day of Reflection). Nobody can read all the questions and answers that are posted here, so in this thread we invite you to share anything you'd like to highlight from the last week - an interesting discussion, an informative answer, an insightful question that was overlooked, or anything else.

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Best of March 2022 Voting Thread!

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