Were there US POWs still alive in Vietnam in the 1980s?

As a teenager in the '80s, I remember the POW/MIA flags and the chest-thumping jingoism of Rambo, swooping in to rescue languishing and forgotten American prisoners from their barbaric captors. It all left me with a sense that maybe there actually were US servicemen still in captivity more than 20 years after the end of the war. When was the last POW recovered alive? Is there any evidence to suggest there were others kept longer?

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I will be writing about Pope Boniface VIII's Unam Sanctam and the medieval expansion of papal power. What literature should I consult before I begin?

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In ancient times, there was reportedly a "Sylphium plant" used by Romans as a contraceptive, birth control and aphrodisiac - now extinct. Have modern scientists, botanists and doctors studied on what plant could it be and its effectiveness, or was it mythical?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium_(antiquity)

1 Answers 2022-02-07

Are there any catalogues or collections of Shinto Kami legends, akin to the widely available literature on Greek Gods and their exploits?

I am wondering how to become better versed in the lore of ancient Shinto Kami. I've gathered that they are countless, and sometimes highly local- and also that historical periods have successively altered or sometimes erased ancient Shinto mythology; but I am hoping there are at least a few english-language references for more comprehensive study of the lore around Kami, and perhaps their inter-relations?

I understand that the classical myth of how Japan itself was created, and to extents how the Imperial Family descended from the primal generations of Kami, is to extents such a history- but I am hoping there are further details available which ideally could account for a broad cosmology, with internal politics, drama, as well as localized/regional lore, and perhaps also evolving, historically-informed adaptations of the foundational mythology.

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I've heard the poet Sappho was supposedly married to Kerkylas of Andros, but that this would translate to "Dick Allcocks of Man Island" - how much truth is there to this?

This is something I've seen on a couple of social media posts, saying that "historians think his name is a joke", given its translation and Sappho essentially bring the origin of the term 'lesbian'.

How accurate is this translation, and is there any evidence (beyond an absurd name) that this was a joke?

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Were there really no chivalric knights?

For years now, any knight character in movies or in hobbies with a set of morals have been slammed with the "knights were just cavalary with a title! The chivalric code is a sham!", but is that really so?

I recall many a moon ago I was looking into the issue and found some online resources talking about how while the idea of the chivalric knight wasn't fitting of the early medieval ages, the later medieval ages ended up inspired by their own PR with many adopting such a romanticised code of honours as inspired by old tales. But I now that I'm older, I can't seem to find them anymore and I'm starting to question the validity of the sources I found back then.

A helpful anon suggested I may have been thinking of the Courts of Love, but I'm unsure.

Can anyone shed some light on the progressing relationship between knights and a code of honor, and/or perhaps provide from resources that I can look into? Thank you very much in advance.

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how did old diplomats practice religion?

In, say, the middle ages or earlier there must have been foreign dignitaries who would have traveled to meet and negotiate with countries who practiced different religions than what their home country was sworn to. For example, an Egyptian dignitary travelling to Rome. How did they practice religion then? Was there a generally accepted practice? Would the host country provide spaces for their visitors to pray? Or were visitors forced to assimilate to the religion of their hosts? It seems like such a big part of a lot of acient life and civilization to believe in a specific God. I am curious how differences in religion were treated.

1 Answers 2022-02-07

When did we start painting ships red below the water line?

I'm asking this here for a few reasons, mainly because some historian would know about when the world started transitioning to iron and steel instead of wood for various things. Ships being one of them. All I can find on the topic is "why". Not "when". You guys are good with when's, so I'm hoping somebody will know when we started painting ship hulls red.

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Dutch Jews?

Whenever I talk to my dad he loves to bring up the fact that we are "Dutch Jews." Sure I live in the US, but my last name means that I am Friesland.

I guess my question is what are / who are the "Dutch Jews?"

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Announcing the Best of January Winners

Its time to welcome in the new year by recognizing a few of the best answers written so far in it.

First up is the "Flairs Choice Award", which saw some tight voting but in the end saw a slight edging out by /u/indyobserver for their answer to "Why did President Bush call Senator Biden during the September 11th attack?".

Meanwhile, the "Users' Choice Award" goes to /u/itsallfolklore, who tackled "Westerns often depict decently-sized towns out in arid regions with little to no visible farmland. Is this purely a limitation of film budgets, or did settlements in the American west and northern Mexico in the 1800s actually generally import food rather than produce it locally?".

For the "Dark Horse Award", which recognizes the combined top-voted non-flair user's answer, there were quite a few deseerving answers, but it is unsurprising many were blown away by /u/royalsanguinius and their lengthy treatment of 'Did the 5th-century western Roman empire have a "collapse of civilizational self-confidence," and so "permitted (Rome) to be sacked?"'.

For this month's 'Greatest Question', voted on by the mods, the mysteries of Aztec plumbing promised by "The Aztecs had pipes. What were they made of? Where did the water come from? What did they look like? Was it like an aqueduct?", asked by /u/Vegetable_Path6975, caught our eye, although it is as of yet unanswered.

As always, congrats to our very worthy winners, and thank you to everyone else who has contributed here, whether with thought-provoking questions or fascinating answers. And if this month you want to flag some stand-out posts that you read here for potential nomination, don't forget to post them in our Sunday Digest!

For a list of past winners, check them out here!

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Were there American resistance fighters in the Philippines during WW2? Did the Japanese place bounties in gold on their heads?

I grew up hearing stories from my dad of a family friend who served in the Philippines during WW2. As the story goes he was shot down early in the war and spent the majority of it fighting from the jungle with Filipino resistance fighters. I've been told stories of them making airplane engine powered boats that they mounted guns on the front to shoot up Japanese troop barges. Of using a headhunters sword ( IMG1 & IMG2 ) in a raid to get supplies. And of the grounding of a Japanese destroyer where the family friend had cut free a lamp as a souvenir ( IMG1 & IMG2 ). This family friend caused to much havoc that eventually a bounty in gold was placed on his head. Unfortunately the family friend passed away many years ago and so I don't have the chance to ask him myself. I had a chance to take some pictures of a few items my dad was given by the family friend and it got me thinking about these stories and how much was actually embellished and how much could have been true. I added a few of the images here in case they may help with the answer.

1 Answers 2022-02-07

Is psychotherapy connected to disco music?

Wikipedia dates early Disco music at 60s. Rise of cognitive and REBT (precursor to cognitive-behavioral) is attributed to 50s, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_psychotherapy .

Is there any evidence that would link the two? Or is there perhaps actually more of the opposite?

This question can probably cause some eyebrows and "how would you think that, of course not", so I'll try to motivate it a bit. Hopefully it doesn't break sub's rules.

I have a very basic understanding of Disco AND Psychotherapy, but psychotherapy can open one to express their emotions, while disco is all about enthusiastic expression (at least in my innocent eyes). Moreover successful therapy can lead to a healthy life which can lead to progress and success (though that would be another question about psychotherapy vs famous/successful people). However, I suspect psychotherapy just wasn't that popular back then.

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How prominent was Karl Marx in his own lifetime?

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Where can I find some concrete evidence about how Jesus lived that is not in the Bible?

I’m interested in the life of Jesus and I want to understand more about how he lived other than what the Bible states. I want to find sources that are not as common and are presumed to be factual. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

1 Answers 2022-02-07

What was a day like for someone with the plague?

1 Answers 2022-02-06

Why unlike Old English and Old Norse other Old Germanic languages are so portly attested?

1 Answers 2022-02-06

Was the stagflation in the 70s Jimmy Carters fault?

1 Answers 2022-02-06

Recommendations for books on pre-colonial African history?

Western bloke looking to learn more about pre colonial African culture and history and I was looking for some decent book recommendations, who better to ask than actual historians?

Or if you have no book recs, documentary links and articles work too.

1 Answers 2022-02-06

When the library of Alexandria was burnt down, many claimed that this turning event drawned back humanity for almost 2 millenium, is that true?

For example, aeolipile is one among the earliest appearance of steam engine, and we all know that the invention of steam engine marked the starting point of industrial revolution. If other scholars had found the potetial of aeolipile and begin to innovate it to make it more identical to the steam engine we all know today , would that begin the industrial revution more earlier?

1 Answers 2022-02-06

I see a lot of alt-right folks trying to say that the Nazis were socialists. Was this a common talking point after WW2?

2 Answers 2022-02-06

Do you know of any Elizabethan Era Scholarly Sources?

I am writing a paper for a Shakespeare class on Antony and Cleopatra and the topic of duty. I have no problem finding scholarly sources on Shakespeare/his works; however, I cannot find peer reviewed sources on real Elizabethan people/life. I’d specifically like to touch on the topic of duty to the church, familial duty, and maybe military duty and expectations. Other forms may work too. I’ve searched EBSCO, and find results on other topics, notable figures, or other areas (Italy Renaissance), but I can’t find anything fitting. Does anyone know of any scholarly databases or queries of which I may not have thought? My professor is a very tough grader and claims to be happy to help with anything, but I’ve emailed her twice with this and she continuously replies with things I told her I’ve already done.

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How bad was the Great Depression for blacks in the Mississippi Delta? 1930-1940

Areas like Helena Arkansas and those towns just right off the river.

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How did the crusades manage to be successfully conquer and hold territory?

In the 11th century European kingdoms sent armies to conquer areas of the Middle East. And in some cases held on to places like Jerusalem for hundreds of years.

How were they able to accomplish this? Europe was an unified area without much wealth. While the Middle East was in the Islamic golden age.

It would seem if anything the Islamic powers would be the ones capable of actual invasions. How could the weaker areas launch a somewhat successful invasion of the greater power at this time?

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Does this story within the Kolbrin resemble the Osiris Myth?

Hello. I stumbled across this collection of supposed ancient Egyptian and Celtic books within what’s called ‘the Kolbrin’. Admittedly, it was quite difficult to read through the Kolbrin initially. There are all sorts of stories and cryptic passages, in addition to many names that have no clear connection to known historical figures. However, it was apparent that there were biblical stories such as the fabled garden and the great flood, as well as the exodus from Egypt.

Despite there being very little information about it on the internet (except for some conspiracy/fringe theories), I’ve been fascinated by it and read it several times. There are a few apparent references to the Osiris Myth. Below is a passage speaking of the myth of his body being cut into pieces:

MAN:1:32 He died in the manner of men, though his likeness is that of a god. Then, they cut him apart, that his body might make fertile the fields, and took away his head, that it might bring them wisdom. His bones, they did not paint red, for they were not as those of others.

There is a much more obvious reference in another scroll (with Esitis referring to Isis):

MAN:33:35 Esitis left her people, and Setis, her brother, ruled the People of the Sand Barrens, later gaining power over many of the People of the River. He was one who was great among men; he led them in the ways of men, the easy ways, along the wide road beloved by the multitude and followed so unthinkingly. There is no point in' retelling here the accounts of the deeds of Osireh and Setis. Nor of how Osireh was betrayed by his blood brother, from whom he did not expect treachery, and slain at Nadit in Tawara. This was after he and those with him had been lured there and enclosed in battle. Though there had been much shedding of blood, Osireh still believed the best of men, but he was deceived. His body was dismembered and scattered, so that none should worship at his shrine, but this only spread goodness throughout the land. When his body was united, his spirit rose in greatness above all spirits. Setis was later slain by Hori and now awaits men in the Dawn Halls where he bids them sit patiently, passive and at rest. Hori, too, awaits men there, but he says, "Arise, O Glorious One; move and be active, for you are reborn."

Now my question is whether the beautiful story below from the Kolbrin is a story speaking of the Osiris resurrection myth. Below are the passages (italicized) with a bit of a ‘play-by-play’ of what I believe is happening in the story. It's a bit long, but it's a wonderful ancient story. The passages are referred to as SOF:7:# since this is the 7th chapter of the Book of Sons of Fire.

Below are the characters of this story with their equivalent Egyptian names:

Hoskiah (Osiris)

Lokus (Thoth)

Athelia (Isis)

Isais (Set, Hoskiah’s brother)

Raben (Horus)

SOF:7:2 to 7:5 introduces Hoskiah, a mighty bowman, and that a ‘Captain of Men’ in the ‘War of Gods’ where he slew many enemies. Despite being a great warrior, it seems that Hoskiah and his crew lost the battle against the local king and were in hiding. Hoskiah could not stay with them as the king was seeking Hoskiah, so Isais (Hoskiah’s brother) became the leader and became the steward of Hoskiah’s household and possessions.

Hoskiah was a mighty man whose bow shafts struck like the lightning flash, and his enemies went down like corn before the reapers. He was a Captain of Men in the War of Gods, and those he slew where numbered like barley in the measure. His enemies were spread before him like a carpet at his feet, and there was no other like him.

He was a man who knew the Almighty God and looked up to Him as the God of his fathers. But Hoskiah worshipped Him after the customs of his people and therefore knew Truth only in part, for having stolen Him they were unable to know Him fully.

Now the days of fighting were past, and Hoskiah and those who remained alive with him slept in strange places, for they were sought by the king who had been victorious. His wives and his children and all his household dwelt at Kadesh, against the mountain and awaited his coming there. But he came not while being sought by the king.

So it came to pass that his brother Isais, who held stewardship over all his household and his possessions, seeing that Hoskiah could not come unto this place, possessed himself of them. Isais had the ear of those in high places, and Hoskiah lost his birthright.

SOF:7:6 to 7:9 describes how Isais tried to take Athelia by force and was denied, and then retaliated in an extremely brutal way by torturing her and casting her out.

So all that was Hoskiah's passed into the possession of his brother Isais. He took even the wives of Hoskiah, for such was the decree of the king.

But Athelia, the first of the wives of Hoskiah, spurned Isais and called down the wrath of Helyawi upon his head. And Isais was afraid and did not possess her. When they saw this the other wives, being jealous of her, for she was ever in high favour with Hoskiah, stirred Isais up against her. They mocked him, saying, "Are you truly the master here, or are there fruits you cannot pluck?"

So Isais sought to take Athelia by strength, but she strove against him, and his manhood was hurt, so that he did not take her. Then Isais had her bound and her hands were tied for seven days, so that she could not of herself either eat or drink or do the things required by her body. She was humiliated and her womanhood betrayed, for an idiot man attended her wants and he mocked her modesty, and she was tormented by her needs.

Then on the seventh day, she was brought forth by Isais to trial, and she was stripped and lashed, and her hair was burnt off. She was branded on the face, and her lips and tongue were cut. She was given a robe and a pitcher of water, and dried fruits and flour. She was driven forth by Isais who said, "Go, woman, and perhaps, should you even find him, Hoskiah will understand your babble."

SOF:7:10 and 7:11 speaks of Athelia’s first few days after being beaten and cast out. She feels the grace of God and knows that Hoskiah yet lives, and she will strive to find him.

Athelia went out into the wilderness to die, and at night, she fell in pain and weariness, under an elan tree and lay there. In anguish she cried out unto her God and cast her soul from her, that she might not feel pain. And her soul found Hoskiah.

As it became light next day, Athelia awoke and praised God, saying, "I have slept amid my pain, for God is good and merciful. And I know that Hoskiah yet lives in a far off place, but my soul and my God will lead me to him." And she went, guided by her soul.

SOF:7:12 and 7:13 speak of Hoskiah, where he hears the bad news.

On the same night, Hoskiah lay in a cavern amid mountains, but he slept not, for one had come bearing tidings of his brother, saying, "Isais has possessed himself of all that once was yours. Even your wives has he taken, and between you and he are many men who would slay you.

As Hoskiah lay thus in agony of spirit it came to pass that he felt the presence of Athelia's soul, and peace came upon him and he slept. And as he slept he dreamed, and in his dream, Athelia stood at his feet, fairer than he had ever known her. And she said, "All is not lost unto you, for I come seeking you in the wilderness, and I will find you, so be at peace." And Hoskiah awoke refreshed and strong in spirit.

SOF:7:14 to 7:16 speak of how Hoskiah started his journey to find Athelia. He asks others during his travels of Athelia, but they all mock him, thinking he’s a foolish man chasing a dream. Hoskiah then starts to doubt himself and turns his attention towards going against his brother Isais to reclaim what is his.

And he came down out of the mountains, and over the wilderness, came to the Place of Bitter Waters, where men find refuge. And men were hiding there from the wrath of the king. And Hoskiah enquired of them, saying, "You have come from many places; which of you has seen a woman seeking me?"

They said, "No woman travels abroad on such a quest. Or has she many attendants, and what is her appearances?" And Hoskiah said, "She is fair as the dawning, with hair like the raven's wing and skin like fine oil. Her touch is like cool waters, and her bearing like the gazelle."

Then the men mocked him and talked much, saying, "How long would such a one as you describe travel alone? It is not in the nature of women to leave their household and come into the wilderness. Would any man pass her by? Who, then, now possesses her? Seek her not in the wilderness, for is she not clad in fine linen and perfumed with sweet smelling oils?"

Then Hoskiah took counsel with himself and said "I am indeed a fool who chases dreams. This is no time for dreaming when there is a man's task at hand." So in the morning, he said to those with him, "I go up against my brother." But they pleaded with him, saying, "Have you a host of men or even a company? Abandon such foolishness."

SOF:7:17 and 7:18 explain how Athelia came to take refuge in a place called the ‘Audience Chamber of the Dead’.

Now, at that time Athelia dwelt beneath a mountain where there was a spring, for she was weary from many days' journeying. And she was sick in spirit, for men, when she came among them, beat her with sticks and drove her from the place of their habitations. She offended their eyes, and none desired her.

No man came to the spring, for it was an accursed place where voices came from the rocks and the dead spoke. Therefore, it is called the Audience Chamber of the Dead. And none but witches go there, for these the dead do not harm.

SOF:7:19 to 7:23 goes back to Hoskiah and his few men, who unfortunately get attacked by surprize at night. Luckily Hoskiah woke up in time to begin defending himself. Those who came against him died or fled, but only one of his crew survived. If that wasn’t bad enough, Hoskiah was injured as well, and becomes blind. Feeling defeated, Hoskiah and his one companion make their way to the Audience Chamber of the Dead, as they felt they were near death. And they were, as Hoskiah’s companion dies, and Hoskiah is left alone, blind.

Now, when night fell, Hoskiah slept, and those with him were not watchful. And evil men said among themselves, "Let us slay Hoskiah in the night, for he has gold and silver and spoils of war with him. Let us cut off his head and carry it to his brother, that we may be rewarded and made welcome,"

So it came to pass that in the morning hours of the night, men came to fall upon Hoskiah and those with him to slay them. But one among them was heavy-footed, and Hoskiah awoke as they fell upon him, and he seized his sword, and leaping up as a lion springs, smote about him, and there was a slaughter. But he was without helmet and his head was bare, and so he was wounded. They who came against him died or fled, but of those with him, just one remained, and he sorely wounded.

In the morning they left with their asses laden, and Hoskiah held his bow and none came near him. And as the sun mounted on high, the sight departed from the eyes of Hoskiah, and he became blind.

So Hoskiah and he who was his companion abandoned hope, for there were men who would destroy them in front and behind, and the wilderness enclosed them. And they said "Let us, therefore, go to the place called the Audience Chamber of the Dead, which is by our side. For are we not as those already dead? There, we shall find water to quench our thirsts and soothe our wounds as we end our days."

And as they entered the pass at the place where the waters entered the sand, the companion of Hoskiah died. Then, Hoskiah heard voices of the dead calling him from among the mountains, and he arose and said, "I come, for this is my hour." And he passed up the watercourse.

So it was that being blind, he dashed against the rocks and fell to the ground, and lay there as one already dead.

SOF:7:24 to 7:26 has Athelia, who as we know also happens to be in the Audience Chamber of the Dead, feeling troubled and she sees the raven who was on its way for Hoskiah’s soul. So Athelia followed the bird to Hoskiah and was able to tend to his wounds. After three days, Hoskiah awakes.

Now, on that day, the soul of Athelia was troubled and she wandered abroad, straying from her tasks. And she looked up and saw a raven descending from out of the sky, and her soul said unto her, "Behold, it comes for the soul of Hoskiah, for he is near by and close to death." So Athelia sped away guided by the bird.

She came upon Hoskiah as his soul was preparing to depart, and she took him in her arms, and lifting his head, gave him water. And her soul communed with his soul and bade it stay, and because of the bond between them, it stayed. And she remained with him three days and built a bower and ministered to him, but he lay as one already dead.

On the third day, as the sun prepared to enter into his night kingdom, Hoskiah stirred. He groaned in anguish from his wounds, and Athelia comforted him, and he slept in peace.

When it became light next day, he awoke and felt Athelia's touch upon him. And Hoskiah knew her and said, "Athelia, are you here? How came you to this place and found me in my hour of need?"

SOF:7:27 to 7:30 describes how as time went by, Hoskiah made a full recovery, except for his blindness.

But Athelia answered not because of her tongue, and she drew a veil around her face, for she knew not that Hoskiah was blind. She wept, and her tears fell upon his face. And he held on to her, for her hands told him that she could not speak to him as once she did. And he said, "I am blind and cannot see," but she drew not the veil, for she feared for him when his hands sought to be his eyes.

Days passed, and Hoskiah grew strong, and he knew the tale of his brother's deeds and swore vengeance in the name of his God. He said, "For this purpose, life has been left to me." And Athelia grieved that he spoke thus, for he could not walk without her.

The waters of the valley were cool, and there were herbs and wild fruits and goats upon the mountainside. So it came to pass that after many days, Hoskiah was whole and strong again. But he remained blind, so he could not see Athelia and therefore she remained fair in his eyes. But the soft speech was gone from her. This, Hoskiah did not mind, for what he heard daily was the speech, which greeted him as he lay in her arms before she knew he had come back to life. Hoskiah and Athelia were no longer troubled by the voices among the rocks, for no harm was done to them in this place.

When Hoskiah became strong again, he desired to go from that place and fretted to be gone, but Athelia bade him stay. She said, "You are blind and therefore like a child. And will we not die of hunger in the wilderness, or be slain by men who seek after you? Let us stay here."

And Hoskiah listened to her words, for it was not unpleasant in this place.

SOF:7:31 to 7:34 introduces Lokus, a magician of great renown, who happens to journey near where Hoskiah and Athelia are. Lokus then asks Hoskiah and Athelia separately what they desire most.

Hoskiah dwelt in a cave in the mountainside, by the waters of a spring, which came forth from a smaller cave nearby. The land before the caves was flat, and there were ancient gardens and enclosures. Beyond these were trees.

When Lokus had been brought to the abode of Hoskiah, to the place where he camped, he was given food and rested.

Then, Hoskiah said unto him, "You are great even among great magicians, for your magic is greater even than the magic of Egypt. I beg you, master, look with pity upon my blindness, for it makes me even as a child, I who am a man among men and have a man's task before me. Pray, therefore; cast magic with fire, that I may be made whole again."

Lokus said unto Hoskiah, "Is this then the one desire of your heart; is there nought in Heaven or Earth you desire more?"

Hoskiah said, "There is nought above this."

Then Lokus spoke to Athelia, saying, "What is your desire; is it that you may be as you once were?"

And Athelia said, "This indeed I desire, especially for the sake of my lord. But, master, above all I desire that he may see again; but, oh, let not his eyes lead him from me to destruction."

Lokus said to Athelia, "You know what his eyes will see."

She answered him, "Let his eyes see what they will, but let them see."

Lokus said unto her, "So it shall be, for you have but one desire between you. I will make a covenant with Hoskiah, so that his eyes may see again. This is the covenant: That Hoskiah will stay in this place until Athelia has borne him a son, and until six months after his son's weaning, he will sit at my feet and absorb my instruction."

Then Athelia said unto Lokus, "Master, when he is no longer blind and sees me as I am, will not the burden of the covenant be too great for him?

Lokus answered, "He has more than two eyes."

SOF:7:35 to 7:39 has Lokus casting a spell on Hoskiah and opening his head to let out the evil which blinded him (possibly referring to removing false beliefs, ignorance, or ‘un-pure’ thoughts). It also includes the first interactions between Hoskiah and Athelia once Hoskiah regains his sight.

Lokus took Hoskiah and cast a spell upon him, so that he fell asleep. And Lokus opened his head and let out the evil, which blinded him and encased his head in clay, that the demon might not resume its residence. And Hoskiah was left asleep for six days and six nights.

On the seventh day, Hoskiah awoke, and behold, he was no longer blind. And he called for Athelia, but she came not unto him. Then Hoskiah cried, "I see, but the woman is not here; is this not a time for rejoicing? But lo, she stays away."

Lokus said unto him, "It is the manner of women; let her be."

And when night had come, Athelia came and sat at the feet of Hoskiah and said unto him, "It is well, my lord, and my heart rejoices." And Hoskiah, stretching out his hand, caught hold of Athelia, saying unto Lokus, "Long have I been with this woman. And I was blinded that I could not see her face; now I say, bring me my torch quickly, that I may look upon the face I desire to see with all my heart."

And Athelia, bowing her head, remained cold and still beside Hoskiah, the veil held before her face. And Lokus, placing the torch aside, drew the veil and lifted her head towards the light, and the woman looked up fearfully.

Hoskiah looked long upon her in silence. Then, he lifted her towards him and kissed her face, saying, "Wife of my bosom, the years have taken nothing from the loveliness of your youth." And Athelia fell before him in a swoon.

Now, when morning came, Lokus sat outside the cave, and Athelia came, and kneeling before him said, "Great master, what magic have you wrought? The waters do not lie, yet my lord sees me not as they."

And Lokus answered her, saying, "Nor does the soul lie, but the eyes of men are deceivers and not to be trusted. One desire only have I granted, for my magic has not touched you. Hoskiah sees indeed, but if he sees not wholly with his eyes and in part with his heart, seeing not with the eyes of other men, then perhaps my magic is imperfect, and I am not the greatest of magicians."

SOF:7:40 summarizes what is likely quite a few years.

Unnumbered days passed, and Athelia was first delivered of a daughter and then of a son.

And Hoskiah sat before Lokus and received his instruction, and many books were opened unto him. He learned the Mysteries of the Secret Way and the Songs of the Fire. He knew the wisdom that had come down through the ages.

SOF:7:41 to 7:43 has Hoskiah and Lokus leaving their abode to go confront Isais.

So it came to pass that one day, Hoskiah went unto Lokus and said, "All has been done that the covenant required." And Lokus answered him, saying, "It is well; prepare now to follow the path of your destiny."

Then Hoskiah took Athelia and his son and his daughter, and with Lokus, they passed out into the wilderness. And when they came to the habitations of men Athelia was veiled. And Lokus journeyed as a great magician, following his stars, and Hoskiah served him as though his slave.

Thus they came to the lands held by Isais, and Lokus made masks of animal skins, with tree gum and clay, and gave them unto Hoskiah and Athelia. And he clothed them in strange garments and dyed their skins, saying, "Men expect all things of a magician and make no query concerning the strange things they see about him. Therefore, let not the men of this place be disappointed in my attendants."

To Hoskiah he said, "Be as one dumb, for your tongue would betray you to those we come amongst in this place." And Hoskiah answered, "My tongue shall be dead in this place."

In this manner they came before Isais.

SOF:7:44 describes Hoskiah’s initial thoughts upon seeing his brother Isais.

Isais had looked well upon the fleshpots, and his body was filled with fat. He was clad in fine linen from Egypt and perfumed. And Hoskiah said within himself, "Can this be the son of my father and the companion of my childhood? It is truly written, in the hands of a weakling, gold turns to fat."

SOF:7:45 and 7:46 describes the first interaction between Lokus and Isais.

Lokus spoke unto Isais, saying, "Lord, I have come far and therefore beg that I and my servants be given food and drink and a place to lay our heads. I am a magician of magicians and a physician of physicians. Mayhap, there are those within your household who are sick or possessed by demons, whom I may serve. Or may I enliven your leisure with wonders and magic and show you strange things beyond the understanding of men?”

Isais said unto Lokus, "Remain with us, for there is little pleasure here. If you enliven our days, you serve us well."

SOF:7:47 to 7:50 is the start of a great feast that Isais is holding.

So it came to pass that Isais prepared a great feast, to which came many lords with their households. The fame of Lokus had spread afar, for he had healed the sick and cast out demons and shown many wonders beyond the understanding of men. And among those who came were many who knew Hoskiah.

When the day of the great feast came, there was much feasting and merrymaking, and Lokus worked great wonders, so that all men acclaimed his magic. And there were games and feats of strength and dancing.

When night had fallen, great fires were lit and many torches. Tables were spread with all manner of good things, and the guests assembled within the great courtyard. Isais sat beneath the tall sycamore tree, and before him was a table laden with every kind of meat. There were breads and sweet things and spices in abundance. And Isais was sitting among half men and wanton women, and with him were gluttons and drunkards. There was much loud laughter in their company and many sly gestures. There were singing women and dancing girls. There were half men who performed as women, and the night was heavy with the scents of wickedness.

The feasting and dancing went on well into the night, and Lokus displayed his powers before the assembly. When the clamour was at its height, Isais spoke to Lokus, saying, "Show us now the greatest of your wonders, which we have not yet seen. Let the night be more enlivened."

SOF:7:51 and 7:52 have Lokus performing an unfathomable trick; he has Hoskiah shoot an arrow through a maiden, resulting in blood gushing out of her. However, she is then revived, as though no arrow was shot.

So Lokus stood before them and lo, before their eyes, he changed stones into gold and a dog into an ass. He drew wine and milk from an empty pitcher and caused a rod to become a snake.

Standing before a table that was bare, he drew all manner of foods and wines out of the air and furnished it for a splendid repast. Then, he called Hoskiah as his slave and stood a comely maiden before him. And Hoskiah shot arrows into her, and they stood out from her body, so that there was not space for a man to place his hand. And the blood flowed down her robe as though she stood in a rainstorm of blood, before she sank to the ground and lay there dead before them.

Then Lokus went up to her and after wrenching the arrows from out of her body threw a cloak over it. The arrows he carried to Isais and those about him, saying, "See the blood of a maiden," and they held the arrows and looked at them. And behold, as they held the arrows and looked, the blood went from them and the arrows were clean.

And Lokus cried out in a loud voice, "Lo, the blood returns." Then, passing over unto the maiden, he lifted the cloak off her, and behold, as he did so her robe became clean again. And Lokus took her by the hand and said unto her, "Arise," and she arose and stood before Isais. And he was silent, and those about him did not speak. Casting aside her garment, which was the outer robe, the maiden danced before the gathering, and all there wondered greatly, for her body was unmarked.

SOF:7:53 to 7:56 has Isais in disbelief, and Isais then asks about the bowman accompanying Lokus. Lokus then performs another magic trick, which continues to baffle Isais.

Isais spoke to Lokus, saying, "How can such things be? What manner of magic is this?"

Lokus answered him, saying, "Lord, your eyes saw as I bid them see, for I am the master of men's hearts, not the master of flesh and wood. The eye is the greatest of deceivers. It is the magic of Egypt which undid the work of the Ethiopian's bow."

And Isais said, "Who is this Ethiopian, who stands there so strangely garbed? It is indeed a bowman among bowmen to loose his arrows so that one has scarcely struck ere another left the bow. Has Rasfamishel come among us?"

Lokus answered him, saying, "Lord, he comes from beyond the Land of Elephants, in the place where the Earth tips over. The magic is in his bow, which can shoot at a wild ass and bring down a lion."

So saying, Lokus took up a clay pot and stood it on a table, and Hoskiah, standing off, loosed an arrow at it. And the pot was shattered, and as it fell apart lo and behold, a silver pot appeared in its place. And those who saw these things were amazed and spoke one to the other about the magic of Lokus.

One among the gathering, a speechmaker, stood up and spoke words praising the magic of Lokus, but Isais sat quiet, deep in thought. Then bidding Lokus come to his side, Isais said, "This night, I have seen with my own eyes a maiden slain with arrows and raised from the sleep of death. I have seen the magic of the bow change clay to silver. Is then your magic great enough to change age into youth and weakness into strength? It is said that the greatest of magicians can do even this."

And Lokus lifted himself and said, "Even this, I can do."

Then there was much whispering back and forth and talk among those who sat about Isais. They that stood in the place of his favour said, "Master, this is the hour; let the magic of this great magician cast the years from off your back and renew the vigour of youth" And while they spoke, there was much whispering and sly laughter among the half men.

SOF:7:57 has Lokus tempting Isais into what we later find out is a trap.

And he said unto Isais, "Great Isais, this is your hour. You are the lord of this land and place; therefore, command as you will. Already the night is more than half spent and speeds to its closing. Hear now my words, this I say unto you:

Enter now into my magic tent which stands strangely adorned over against the edge of the feasting place. The tent, wherefrom I issue forth my magic, to which I return to replenish my strength when it is done. Therein is the fount of my magic, the hub of the great circle of power. Remain in there until the first red glow from the fires of the underworld appears in the night sky. Then lord, I will come into the tent and, standing against it, will call forth the lord of this land and place, and behold, a new lord will stand before the gathering in manly strength and vigour. A man among men and a fitting master for this household. He will be such a man that I, even I Lokus, the master of magic, will be the first to proclaim him."

SOF:7:58 to SOF:7:62 closes this eventful great feast with Isais being ‘taken care of’ in the tent, and Lokus present Hoskiah as the new lord of the people. Some of Isais followers are not happy, but they get disposed of by Hoskiah’s bow.

So Isais entered into the tent of Lokus the magician, and as he passed within, Lokus gave him the great bow of Hoskiah, saying, "Take this with you, for its magic is great and may well be needed. It is a worthy weapon for the lord of this land."

Then the gathering spoke amongst themselves and waited. Singing women whiled away the hours. And as the first arrows of morning light struck the night sky, Lokus arose and stood against the tent of magic. Lifting up the door he cried out in a loud voice, "Great Lord of these lands and place, come forth to your heritage, behold your lord."

And as he spoke, lo, Hoskiah stepped forth into the morning light, arrayed as a lord and girded about with belt and sword. He wore a helmet, and in his hand was the great bow.

The sound of a great sigh passed through the gathering, and men looked one at the other. They were bemused, not knowing what to do, for there was magic about them. And Lokus lifted up his voice in the silence and cried, "Behold, I have brought forth a man among men as lord of these lands and place. Will you not, therefore, receive him in a befitting manner?"

And men spoke among themselves, saying, "This is one having the appearance of Hoskiah, whom we know, in truth the lord of these lands and place. He is a man indeed, if it be he; has magic drawn him back from the grave, or has the spirit of Isais clothed itself in the form of Hoskiah?" Then first one and then another hailed the man before them saying, "This is a man among men, if not our lord Hoskiah." Then a great shout of, "Hoskiah!" went up, and Hoskiah stood stern before them.

Now, there were those among the gathering who stood silent. The half men and wanton women who were about the table where Isais had been, sat pale and silent, clinging to each other. They said among themselves, "If indeed this be Hoskiah, where then is our lord Isais?"

And a man stood up among the gathering, shouting, "This is not Isais transformed by magic, but Hoskiah, who, with this evil magician, has worked a trick. Isais is not transformed, but murdered. Let him be avenged." And reaching back, he took a javelin and sought to hurl it at Hoskiah.

But the bow in the hand of Hoskiah bent, and before the javelin could be sped, an arrow pierced the man's throat. Then the bow sang twice more before the enemies of Hoskiah departed.

Now, it came to pass that those remaining gathered about Hoskiah and rejoiced, saying, "Hoskiah is indeed the rightful lord, and none but he ever bent bow as we have seen a bow bent this dawning." And Hoskiah passed through them to the seat of Isais. And those gathered there shrank from him, and he swept the table clean and drove away those who stood about it, saying. "Begone, lest I have you seized and beaten, for you befoul the Earth and serve neither God nor man."

They departed, saying, "This is indeed Hoskiah and not Isais." And Isais was seen no more by the eyes of men.

SOF:7:63 to 7:66 moves forward to the day where Lokus departs Hoskiah, and tragedy strikes.

Now, after three days had passed, Lokus said to Hoskiah, "The time has come when I must depart. I shall go unto my king, who is now your king and speak with him concerning you. It is well that I go now and dally not unduly here, for mayhap as things are, he will lend a willing ear to my words. But if I dally here with you, others will gain his ear with another account." So Lokus departed, and Hoskiah was grieved.

Before he left, Lokus was given horses and servants, also slaves and asses with food for the journey. And Lokus said to Hoskiah, "We shall meet again, for it is decreed in the Book of Heaven."

Athelia came before Hoskiah many times and said, "Lord, let me depart from your residence and dwell in a place not too far off." And Hoskiah was perplexed within himself because of her manner of speech, for he did not understand what she wanted. He said, "Have no fear for the women of my household, for there is none I desire but you."

And it came to pass that on his way to the king, Lokus was stricken with a sickness and lay as one already dead, and for many days, his soul was prepared for departure. And while he lay sick, the power that bound the eyes of Hoskiah became weakened, and the eyes of Hoskiah were no longer bound.

SOF:7:67 and 7:68 describes how all is well, so Hoskiah decides that there should be a feast. It will turn out to be quite an event, like most feasts in this story.

Now, Hoskiah purged his household and spent the days dealing with his estates, and his lands flourished. His servants no longer bickered among themselves as before, and contentment reigned within his shadow.

So when many days had passed and all things were ordered, Hoskiah called his steward and said unto him, "Let a feast be prepared. As the land has given generously to me, so will I give no less generously." Hoskiah said this, and it was done.

SOF:7:69 and 7:70 introduces Mirim, who was from the household of Isais, and who is curious as to why Athelia, the great Hoskiah’s wife, is always veiled. People assume it is because she is extremely beautiful.

Now, there was a woman called Mirim of the household of Isais, who was fair to behold, and she sought the favour of Hoskiah. And among the women, there was much talk of Athelia, who remained ever veiled, for there were those among the women who knew her. But none spoke to Hoskiah, for he was a man who talked little with women, and Athelia stood first in his eyes.

Mirim had not seen the degradation of Athelia, nor had she seen her unveiled. But it came to pass that she spied upon Athelia one day, while she was about her toilet, and seeing her unveiled, Mirim took counsel with herself.

SOF:7:71 to 7:76 is the day of the feast, and drama ensues. Mirim ensnares a young lord attending the feast, and tells him of how Athelia is the fairest woman of them all. The young lord then goes to Hoskiah and persuades him to prove that Athelia is the fairest of all women. Hoskiah becomes angry as he does not like gossip (gossip is consistently spoken as an act of wickedness in the Kolbrin).

Now, the day of feasting came, and many were the guests, but of half men and wanton women, there were none. And among the women, Athelia sat apart, and among the men, there was much talk of riches and battles, and of spoils of war and husbandry.

Among the guests was a young lord, who sought the favours of Mirim. And while the feasting and dancing were at their height, they came one to the other. And as they dallied beyond the torchlight. Mirim said unto him, "Am I fair indeed?" And he answered her, saying, "You are fair even among the fairest."

Then she said unto him, "Yet there is one more fair by far, so fair that she needs to go veiled before men. She is Athelia, wife of Hoskiah, who keeps her thus. He fears for himself and does not trust her, for this is his weakness." And Mirim moved away from the young lord, saying, "Go look upon her face, and if you can then say I am the fairest of the fair, I shall know that your heart speaks sincerely of itself and not at the behest of your body."

The young lord returned to the feasting and sat in a place nearby to Hoskiah and spoke to those about him, saying, "Have any among you seen a woman here who rivals the fairest bearers of myrtle and palm?" And the men rebuked him, saying, "It is not meet to talk thus about the women of a household, wherein you are a guest. Are they to be judged as are women of the night?"

But the tongue of the young lord was not stayed, and he replied, saying, "That which causes talk will be talked about."

And Hoskiah heard him and was angry and said, "What in my household moves foolish tongues to gossip?"

The young lord said, "That, which a man tries to conceal ever arouses the interests of others. Does any man conceal that, of which he is proud?"

And Hoskiah looked about him, saying, "This talk, I do not understand."

The young lord said, "My lord, men talk of what lies beneath the veil of the woman you brought here, is she indeed as fair as men say, or is there truth even in the gossip of women?"

And those who knew about the degradation of Athelia muttered among themselves, for her secret could not be kept hidden. They said, "This is loose talk and wicked, let the evil, which belongs to the past remain buried. Does this concern any man but Hoskiah? Are we among women that the talk should be thus? Is our custom to be lightly set aside? Let the veil remain.

But Hoskiah, hearing the muttering, thought wrongly of what was said. And he spoke to the young lord, saying, "This woman is fair as few women are fair; should I not know? This you shall indeed see for yourself."

And Hoskiah said within himself, "Long enough have I indulged Athelia her whims; does a pearl give pleasure within its shell?"

And Hoskiah sent his attendant for her.

SOF:7:77 to 7:79 does not go well for Hoskiah. Now that Lokus’s spell is over (which made Hoskiah see with his heart and not his eyes), Hoskiah becomes shocked when Athelia, despite her reluctance, removes her veil. Athelia, as expected, is devastated.

So Athelia came with her hand maiden, and Mirim came too and stood close behind them. And Athelia stood before Hoskiah and said, "My lord, what is your wish?" And he said to her, "Woman, remove your veil."

And Athelia put her hand to the veil and pleaded with him, saying, "My lord, there are many men here and strangers. There is a custom of my people, by which I abide." And men, hearing her voice, looked one at another, and the oldest among them said to Hoskiah, "Let the woman be, for this is of no importance and of no interest to us. Allow her the whim, for such is the nature of women. Shall we deny them their small pleasures?"

Athelia inclined her head towards the man who spoke, and as she did so, Mirim stepped forward and caught hold of the veil, snatching it aside. And the stricken face of Athelia was revealed to the gathering.

All men were silent and still, like statues.

And Hoskiah looked at Athelia, and she at him. And Hoskiah saw her as she was, and Athelia knew what he saw.

Then came the voice of the young lord, saying, "Behold the pearl of Hoskiah." And Hoskiah turned upon him in rage and slew him.

And Hoskiah turned to Athelia, who stood still and alone, saying, "What evil has been wrought here? Begone, take your face from me."

And Athelia went out between the gathering. And passing into her bedchamber, she took a draught of poison.

And her handmaiden sped to Hoskiah, saying, "Come, my lord; my mistress dies."

It looks like the full story doesn’t fit in this post, so the ending is continued in a comment below (apologies). However, am I wrong in believing this story is one speaking of the Osiris resurrection myth, as Hoskiah does undergo a resurrection of sorts after being betrayed and near death, and he also returns to overcome his wicked brother Isais?

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How popular was the Qing dynasty at the very end?

I'm asking this because I remember a monarchist blogger called the Mad Monarchist (who has some interesting views, to say the least) said that, after the revolution, the Chinese Republicans should have let the Qing set up a remnant government in Manchuria, and I would like to know how well this would turn out. Were they more popular in the North than the south, or were they equally hated everywhere? Was their support base made up only of nobles, or did they have some support (if any) with the lower class?

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