Sunday Digest | Interesting & Overlooked Posts | November 21, 2021

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Welcome to this week's instalment of /r/AskHistorians' Sunday Digest (formerly the Day of Reflection). Nobody can read all the questions and answers that are posted here, so in this thread we invite you to share anything you'd like to highlight from the last week - an interesting discussion, an informative answer, an insightful question that was overlooked, or anything else.

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Why did the US let China fall to communism despite almost waging a half century Cold War against communism and the USSR?

I might be ignorant to it but I've never heard of a Chinese War or a Sino-American War that occurred after WW2. With the geopolitical issues America have today with China its kinda odd the US actively participated in proxy wars in Korea, Vietnam, Central America to prevent communism from spreading there yet let China go.

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Why was scuttling ships in WW2 so commonly resorted to?

When reading into World War 2 naval battles such as the Battle of the Coral Sea, The Battle of Midway, The Battle of Salvo Island, etc, it is shocking how frequently an excerpt like the following appears:

Despite taking overwhelming damage, the crew miraculously kept the vessel afloat for days until she was scuttled the morning of ____ by the vessel ____

Why did so many vessels get scuttled in World War 2? It seems like an immense waste of resources -- an overly-safe defensive measure that burns millions of taxpayer funds.

Are the logistics behind the recovery of a seriously damaged vessel so great that the sensible option is to sink your own ship? I assume that most scuttled vessels were crippled so that they could not move under their own power. With that being said, could a crippled vessel not be towed by another? For example, the [USS Neosho](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Neosho_(AO-23)) was crippled and kept afloat for four days before being scuttled.

  • Is it similar to crippled climbers on Mt. Everest, where if a climber becomes immobile, they are almost guaranteed to be lost due to the impossibility of being carried? OR is it possible to tow a cruiser/carrier/destroyer/frigate/etc across the ocean? Would chains or cables connecting the two vessels simply snap due to the immense mass of the two vessels tugging on one another?

  • If vulnerability is the issue (crippled vessel is a sitting duck), can a screen of defensive ships not be placed near the crippled vessel in hopes to protect it from being sunk?

  • If the stricken vessel being seized by the enemy is the issue, why? The enemy would have to figure out a way to bring the vessel back to their shores, which only goes back to my first point. Without understanding of the vessel and how it is built, chances are low they would actually be able to use it effectively. For example, surely if the Japanese captured an unmanned American carrier, they would not have the technical know-how in order to operate its systems. It would take a very long time for the enemy to reverse engineer it, let alone attempt to copy it when laying down new carriers to be made for the years to come.

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Why are so many deaths attributed to communism and are the counts accurate?

I keep hearing the staggering number of 100 million people died under Stalin. That seems incredibly high. Are their documents to back up these claims?

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How did Jewish life and interethnic relations looked like in Austro-Hungarian Bukovina?

Sorry, the title may sound a little too specific and my English is not the best. Please let me know if this is the wrong subreddit for my questions. I am currently working on a book project about the life of a Jew from Bukovina in the second half of the 19th century in Austria-Hungary. Even though I researched much about the life there, many questions still remained unanswered. The protagonist, who grows up in a traditional Hasidic household in a small Carpathian village, makes friends with Christians and even develop sympathies for Christianity. Now I wanted to ask what Jewish-Christian relations in Galicia/ Bucovina looked like in the 19th century? What influence did Austria-Hungary's politics have on them? Which non-Jewish nationality was the most tolerant? Germans, Romanians, Lipovans, Ukrainians, Rusyn? How tolerant were the Jews towards them? How, when and where did Jews and non-Jews meet? How was the religious harmony? And how did Jewish life and ethnic relations differ in rural and urban areas? I would be very happy to receive answers to my (hopefully not too many) questions!

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At what point are people considered "natives"?

The U.S. for example. At what point are the Americans born there counted as natives? We don't call other countries by their "pre-conquered" names, so at what point are people born in America, native Americans?

I hope this isn't coming off wrong, I'm just genuinely curious as to why we don't considered Americans born in America natives. It's been almost 400 years and people still aren't counted as "Americans".

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Al-Ma'arri was an arab philosopher from the golden age of Islam who became an atheist and published several books criticising religion. Was, if any, was the impact on his work?

Oddly enough Al-Ma'arri doesn't have a wikipedia article in english, but he does have articles in spanish and german and that's how I learned about him

edit: Apparently the article in english wasn't linked in the translations of the article in spanish, which made me assume it didn't exist. I know better now

I was very surprised to see that was able to publish texts attacking religion in the Abassid Empire, but I guess they were a lot more tolerant than muslim nations today

However what I really want to know is what was the impact of his work?. I imagine that maybe he was like Giordano Bruno or Democritus, someone whose genius we can recognize in the present day but who wasn't very impactful on his day. Or maybe he was impactful, I don't know

PD: I want to check out his book Fusul wa Ghayat, but I can't find it anywhere in a language I can read, does anyone have a link to an english online version?

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Why did the Germans expect the invasion of the Soviet Union to be a six-week campaign? What went wrong?

The most common views are:

The strategist Hitler had no military training.

Germany made the mistake of opening many fronts.

Germany's friendly countries abandoned it.

It was a mistake to face the UK.

Germany underestimated her rivals.

They never thought of the bravery of the Soviets.

Others.

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In all seriousness, did Adolf Hitler actually consider world domination, and if he did, how well thought out was it?

I understand that Hitler had major territorial ambitions beyond what he conquered in WW2. But I’ve read a few histories that say Hitler put some thought in the idea of a global Nazi conquest. Did he actually seriously consider the idea, and if he did, how well thought out was this?

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Why wasn’t southern Italy (the Kingdom of Sicily) ever part of the Holy Roman Empire?

I’m trying to learn more about the Holy Roman Empire but can’t seem to find any definitive information on why it never extended south of the Papal States. Also, what was the main religion of the Kingdom of Sicily? Roman Catholicism I take it? And if so, did Sicilians recognize the Pope as their religious leader? And did the Pope have any dominion over the Kingdom of Sicily (investiture rights, etc)?

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Were Berserkers really as crazy as the historical records show?

Viking Berserkers are always depicted as barely controllable blood crazed murder machines.

But is this really true? Were that really drug fueled killing machines or just extremely skilled and fearsome warriors?

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Why was the black death so much more devastating in Europe than it seems to have been in Asia/Africa?

Hygiene is usually pointed out as one of the reasons but I’ve seen that the idea of medieval europeans being unhygienic has mostly been debunked. Also they knew well enough that they had to isolate themselves from the sick and burn the bodies.

On top of that Asia had some major cities 10 times bigger than London such as Sarai which had a great influx of people from all around central Asia if not from all Eurasia and didn’t seem to have been hugely affected by it.

So am i missing something?

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Was FDR's New Deal a success or failure?

I've heard both that it worked to help pull the country out of the Great Depression and made it worse keeping the US stuck in it until WW2. I assume it is a great deal more complicated than people have been telling me but I am just wanting to know if overall it helped or hindered the recovery of the US.

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In The Great (2021), Empress Catherine is told that she must give birth in front of a crowd due to an event were a royal baby died and was swapped out for a living baby. Did a situation like that actually ever happen? or was that just a fear that monarchies had?

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What was the Wild West actually like? How accurately do TV shows portray the Wild West?

What was the Wild West actually like? How accurately do TV shows portray the Wild West? Was the land there really "lawless" and berserk? What kind of jobs did people actually have there? Did people actually follow the laws there or was it just chaos and violence and survival of the fittest and constant gun fights and brawls in bars? Would sherrifs actually do anything there?

Also, could individuals just uproot themselves and start anew in an entirely new town with a new identity and new name? It seems as though back then, without things like social security or a Drivers License, there were no forms of identification and anyone could just move from one town to another changing their identity if they didn't want to be found. Thus, was the Wild West really full of outlaws changing their identities?

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I am a commoner in the city of Ai-Khanoum, c. 170 BCE. What language would my neighbors and I have spoken? What religion would we practice? What jobs would we most likely have held?

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Book recommendation on agriculture and peasant life in Europe/Mediterranean.

Hi, I have been reading Fernand Braudel's The Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II and I have found it incredibly interesting. Now, I would like to learn more about structural (long dure) topics related to agriculture and peasant life. Some of the key ideas that I would like to know more about are:

- Cycles of farming: seeding, collecting, selling, in general the main routines in the life of peasants throughout the year. Also interested in animal breeding.

- Overview of the main food sources across countries/regions. For example the cereals (wheat, oats, barley), fats (oil, butter), milk products (cheese, milk, yogurt), salt, wine, etc.

- Implication of the previous in larger scale events like famines, man power limits, city development, etc.

The period that I am targeting is Medieval and Modern (but it could include more).

And the region which I would be interested in are Europe and/or the Mediterranean.

Do you happen to know any good book that could be useful? I guess that it is very unlikely that there will be a single solid book that happens to cover this but any suggestion is highly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

PS: Re-posted since I did not get any reply when I asked 2 months ago.

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During the transition from monarchies to democracies (or other forms of government) around the world, did monarch propaganda / disinformation exist? If so, what was said about the “evils” of democracy?

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In around 300AD, the wooden Roman fortress at Eboracum, modern York, was rebuilt in stone. Who would have performed the labour? The soldiers, local hired labour, enslaved labour?

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Saturday Showcase | November 20, 2021

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AskHistorians is filled with questions seeking an answer. Saturday Spotlight is for answers seeking a question! It’s a place to post your original and in-depth investigation of a focused historical topic.

Posts here will be held to the same high standard as regular answers, and should mention sources or recommended reading. If you’d like to share shorter findings or discuss work in progress, Thursday Reading & Research or Friday Free-for-All are great places to do that.

So if you’re tired of waiting for someone to ask about how imperialism led to “Surfin’ Safari;” if you’ve given up hope of getting to share your complete history of the Bichon Frise in art and drama; this is your chance to shine!

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Why and How was Russia able to expand so quickly into the Steppe?

I’ve read the US expansion west was the second fastest permanent land expansion conquest, after Russia’s expansion through the Steppe and across Siberia.

However the Steppe historically have founded many disruptive groups that fought back and expanded into Europe and Asia.

Why was the Russian expansion so quick given the various challenges faced in Russia? Was it the result of new technologies proving imbalances between sides or a long term decline with these groups due to pressures from settled populations. When did these occur and if much earlier why did other nations not expand into the Steppe?

Thanks for any insight you can provide.

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The word Homosexuality was falsely translated back in 1946.

In 1946 a group of men got together to retranslate the bible and make the Revised Standard Version, RSV. When they got to 1 Corinthians 6:9 they translated the last Greek word in that verse to Homosexuality:

1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV): 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (I know this is ESV and not RSV. Will explain later).

This was the first and only time the English word homosexuality has appeared in both the new and old testament.

Once they released the RSV, a seminary student wrote to the head of the RSV translation team, Luther Allan Weigle, and told him that he thought they made a mistake translating that word. According to that student this Greek word is very rare and only appears in all Greek transcripts 100 times, and when it does it better translates to "Sexual Pervert." Luther Weigle wrote back and agreed that they had made a mistake, but that he couldn't make any edits for ten years.

Currently the RSV does use the word sexual pervert, but as the ESV version above shows and other versions of the bible show that word has stuck and hasn't gone away.

Questions:

  1. I have been a Christian my whole life and never heard this story. Supposedly the Yale archives has these letters between the student and Luther Weigle. What's your take on this story? Is it accurate, did I miss anything or miss represent something?
  2. To the Greek scholars out there did they make a mistake translating that word? Not being a Greek scholar, how could I check this myself?
  3. If I wanted to see the primary sources of those letters between the student and Luther Weigle would I need to travel to Yale, or is there a way to check online?

Thanks!

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In Elizabeth: The Golden Age (2007), there is a scene where native americans appear before Elizbaeth I at her court, did this actually, did any native americans arrive in England during her reign, if so who were they, and do we know what they thought of being in England?

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Why did the northern states support abolition other than inhuman treatment?

Was reading up on slave treatment And wanted to know why did northern states support abolition of slavery

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How far back does reading while using the toilet go?

It's a classic joke nowadays, grab your phone pop open TikTok and do a 2 for 45 minutes.

I've heard of people grabbing a soap bottle to read the back of. I'm sure I've done this one too.

And of course, popping open a novel to read while pooping happens all the time.

However I'm curious is this a phenomenon of the past 30-40 years? The creation of The Mass Market Paperback? Or are there records of some Cleomenes of Athens grabbing a clay tablet on his way to his morning constitutional? Basically is there evidence of people seeking entertainment while doing their business prior to the late 20th Century?

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