Source: Martyr Made Podcast
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Hello everyone and welcome to the 15th installment of our continuing series of Rules Roundtables! This project is an effort to demystify the subreddit and also to gather your feedback to help improve it! We’re past the point of covering the rules of the subreddit, and have moved on to explain other aspects of the subreddit. Today an answer to the question “why don’t you have an ‘answered’ flair?”.
Recently there have been several calls for some kind of tag to distinguish ‘answered’ from ‘unanswered’ questions. ^[1][2][3] In the past similar suggestions have been made. That’s why we wanted to provide an in-depth explanation of our thinking regarding such a tag.
This post will first explain what it means for a historical question to be answered. That in-depth theoretical part will be followed by an explanation of the practical difficulties of an ‘answered’ tag.
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If we consider “the past” to be ‘everything which has ever happened’, then “history” is how we view humans and human-related things in the past, based on what we know of the past. By definition, what we know - can know even - of the past is only a tiny portion of what actually happened. It is impossible to have a complete record of all of the experiences of all humans ever; I dare say even in this modern age it still impossible to get a complete record of the experiences of even a single living human – efforts of tech giants notwithstanding.
Historians are aware of this limitation and they try to work around it. When writing history, historians generally will go through to following steps:
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All historical inquiry begins with a question. Questions can be sparked by reading something and wanting to know more, they can be raised by an (apparent) contradiction in sources, they can arise spontaneously, or any other way really. Any question goes; later on one might find that a question is unanswerable, but that shouldn’t stop anyone from asking the question.
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Based on the question being asked, an historian can begin to gather information. The information is gathered from as many different sources as possible: writings from people involved, artefacts from the time period, archived materials, but also works from other historians who have written on subjects related to the question.
It is essential that the historian gathers a wide range of sources to get as accurate a view of the past as possible. Depending on the question and the historical period it can be difficult to know when to stop looking for more sources. It may be very hard to find relevant sources, and continuing the search may be a waste of time – or there may be so many sources available that at some point one has to decide to stop looking or no other work will get done. In any case, there are many reasons why two historians asking the same question may come up with a different selection of sources to use in the next step.
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The information which has been gathered has to be organised, or it won’t be very useful. Information from different sources has to be combined, or a single source may be used to explain more than one thing. Facts have to be separated from opinion, plausible truths from apparent lies. The historian might decide that some information is more relevant than other information, or that some sources are more trustworthy or reliable than others. Here too, two historians organising the same sources may come up with a different categorisation of sources.
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Once the information has been organised, the historian can begin to explain events or developments related to the question being asked. If a good variety of sources has been selected, sources will likely point to different explanations, which a good historian will take into account. All explanations which can be gathered from the sources, no matter how implausible, should be documented to ensure the final step gives a good result. Still, it’s possible that two historians looking at the same organised information may come up with different explanations.
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The final step is to use the organised information and the various explanations to construct an image of what happened in the past. This ‘image’ is what is used to compose an answer to the question. The historian may consider some explanation (or explanations) more important, more likely, or more insightful than others, and thus give that explanation (or explanations) more weight in the final ‘image’. This may be getting old by now, but two historians using the same explanations to construct an image of the past may come up with a different view.
It should be clear by now that for historians there is not a ‘correct’ answer to any question. The historical process simply does not put out a single ‘correct’ answer; much depends on the choices made by the historian who’s looking for an answer to the question. This is why in the field of history there are always debates between historians about the details of events – how or why something happened.
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Let’s have a look at a practical example of how the above – especially the later stages – works. If we ask the question “Why was Charlemagne crowned emperor by the Pope?”, there are many possible explanations.
One explanation (step 4) could be that Charlemagne had helped the Pope in this struggle with the Romans, and this was his reward. If someone would write this in a longer answer giving some background to the situation, it could be a valid answer for /r/AskHistorians. It is an entirely valid, if a bit simple, view of what happened.
Another explanation might come down to essentially the same answer, but might place it in the context of the fall of the Roman Empire, the Germanic migrations and the growth of the Christian church. This answer would give a broader view (step 5) of the coronation than the previous explanation alone.
Yet another explanation arises if one interprets the question as why Charlemagne wanted to be crowned by the Pope. An answer to that question would involve concepts such as the rightful succession of the old Roman emperors and the representative of God being the only one legal to crown earthly kings.
Then there’s the explanation which focuses on why the Pope wanted to crown Charlemagne. It would focus on the religious and political nature of the papacy at the time. Crowning Charlemagne would cement the supremacy of the Pope over earthly princes; it would give the Pope the upper hand in his own struggles in central Italy; it would also set up a new empire to rival the Eastern Roman Empire – with the Pope having a lot more influence in that new empire.
In this quick overview of the question “Why was Charlemagne crowned emperor by the Pope?” we have seen 4 different but equally valid explanations (and to be clear, this list is not exhaustive!). An expert crafting an answer might choose to focus on one explanation, or they might try to craft several explanations into one in-depth and comprehensive answer based on their own view on this event. Experts might debate on whose idea it was to crown Charlemagne, and who benefitted most from it. In this debate, they can give different ‘weight’ to the various explanations – for instance one expert might consider the political nature of the papacy a lot more important than the divine approval for Charlemagne. This will lead to different views and different answers.
What would an in-depth and comprehensive /r/AskHistorians answer to this question look like? I can’t tell you as I’m not an expert on the matter. Submit the question to the sub and find out ;-)
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In /r/AskHistorians it is not the historian asking a question about the past, but you. An expert may then decide to answer it. Since they’re an expert in their field, step 2 – gathering sources – will often be very short; they already know what sources are available, and will have read most of them. Often their knowledge will vastly exceed what’s strictly needed to compose an answer to the question.
For an answer on /r/AskHistorians, they’ll still move through steps 3 to 5, making choices along the way. The final answer they’re giving will be their expert view of the historical event or development. Again, this is not necessarily the only possible view which can be constructed. Others might come to a (perhaps only slightly) different view, and might want to add their own answer to a question.
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The main reason why we don’t have an ‘answered’ flair (or tag) for questions is that – as has been explained above – there is no definitive answer to a historical question. An ‘answered’ flair suggests that everything that is to be said has been said. It also suggests an endorsement of the one answer that was posted, an implicit rejection of alternative views. It should be needless to say, but we want to avoid giving that impression at all costs.
Other issues with an ‘answered’ flair are:
There have been suggestions to use a different type of flair instead of an ‘answered’ tag. However, many of the issues above apply to an ‘unanswered’ or ‘unaddressed’ flair as well. The wide range of comments we get, from high-quality answers to barely sufficient answers to not-yet-removed answers, and from clarifications by OP to follow-up questions by other users, means that any automated solution (a bot) is not workable. Constant manual updating of all threads is even less workable.
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We’re opposed to an ‘answered’ tag because in history, there are no definitive answers. There’d also be practical issues with implementing such a tag.
We are aware that some people dislike clicking a thread and not finding an answer. These complaints pop up from time to time, and we are seeing if there’s anything we can do about that – but the fact that in 4 years we haven’t found a satisfactory way of handling this yet should tell you it isn’t an easy thing to deal with.
We know that it can be frustrating to come in here from your frontpage and see only [deleted], but we ask for your patience and understanding. Our Twitter, the Sunday Digest, and the Monthly "Best Of" feature highlight the best of what’s posted to /r/AskHistorians, so you may want to check those out if you haven’t already.
Note: The example of Charlemagne is adapted from Havekes, H., Van Boxtel, C., Coppen, P.-A., & Luttenberg, J. (2012). Knowing and doing history: a conceptual framework and pedagogy for teaching historical contextualisation. International Journal of Historical Learning, Teaching and Research, 11(1), 72–93.
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I'd like to learn more about classical battle tactics, military training, militairy engineering, armor and weapons of the soldiers; from Egyptian chariots to late Roman cavalry.
I already have De Re Militarii of Vegetius, and i found it so interesting i want to learn more.
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Here is a recent journal article about a "Soviet jihad against Hitler"--
It includes translations from speeches by Muslim leaders in the Soviet Union who called for the world's Muslims to join together & wage jihad against the Nazis.
I am interested in learning more about Muslims who fought against the Nazis. There is a lot of good research out there on Muslims who fought with the Nazis (including David Motadel's excellent recent book, Islam and Nazi Germany's War), but I want to learn more about the other side of the story.
I would be grateful for any leads, links, book/article recommendations, anecdotes, personal histories, or anything else you all may be able to offer that sheds light on the history of Muslims who fought with the Allies (whether in the Red Army or anywhere else).
Thank you!
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Excuse the "was" in the title...
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I've seen this argument here on reddit; that the United States media used to be owned (or controlled, or funded?) by the federal government, and it was much less biased and not full of fear mongering. When it let private companies control the media is when it got out of hand.
Is there any truth to that, can anyone expand on this idea?
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Today's MM topic was suggested by /u/alriclofgar.
In recent years, digital versions of published historical work has become ubiquitous. These files can have several advantages over books and articles published on paper, including ease of storage, keyword search, and being much more convenient to acquire.
On the flip side, gathering too many files in one disorganized folder can make it quite hard to double check very specific information.
So, to those of you that keep personal digital libraries, how do you keep them organized?
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I recently discovered that they were all in the same section of Vienna in 1913 at the same time. I was hoping to further research what they were doing/ thinking at this time.
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Iceland has been inhabited since the viking era, which should be enough time for a Homo sapiens population to flourish. Why are there so few of them on the island?
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Cnut was the grandson of Harald Bluetooth, and Harold Godwinson was the great great grandson of Harald Bluetooth. What would that make them to each other? Did they ever know one another? If so, what was their relationship like? Thank you!
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Hope this is the right sub and please guide me forth if there's a post about this.
I was watching the first episode of the remake of 'Roots' last night, and was wondering about some historical facts about the conditions around Kunta Kinte's tribe, the Mandinkas, in Gambia at the time (i think the series is set to early 1800s?)
From what I've understood horses originally come from the flatlands of Asia, and while doing a class called "global history" in university I learned about Jared Diamonds theories about why some states are succesful and others are not, and I've had a particular interest in pre-colonized Africa and the civilizations that grew out of there, especially the precursors of Ethiopia. So west africa is kind of a blind spot and I never really understood how succesful the kingdoms there were, how connected they were to each other and the states north of Sahara.
I've always thought of the west african people of being wide spread and not very connected with anyone, so I was wondering how they got to have horses in Kunta Kinte's tribe. The father of Kunta Kinte talks about horses as if they've had them for generations, that their line of heritage is from the "great herds of the Sahara" and "the stallions of the old kings of Mali".
While knowing Mali was a great kingdom, using Islam to connect it's people, I did not find it trustworthy that horses was such and important element of Mandinka culture.
So if the horses did not come from the europeans, how did they got to have horses? Was the relationships between african peoples and states stable enough to get horses so far west in south of Sahara?
And in the series, Kunta Kinte says he wants to study in Timbuktu: What are the chances that he would even have heard of Timbuktu?
Sorry if I'm being pessimistic about pre-colonized Africas abilities, I just thought these cultures were too dizorganized and widespread to have contact with each other, since they were so little succesful in developing sustainable states.
Tl;dr: Did they have horses in West Africa at the time Roots is set too, how did they get to have it; were they muslims there at the time; and would Kunta Kinte even have heard of the possibility of studying in Timbuktu?
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So I learned quite a long time ago that Sparta had a policy that Rome later adopted where every soldier had to lay down their arms and armor before entering the city, therefore making them citizens and not a soldiers.
Am I missing some very simple answer to this because I'm thinking that there are no garrisons to keep the peace in the cities.
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Did members of nobility pay rent to live at Louis XIV's court? Did they pay for food or was everything provided for?
Also, I read that during the reign of Louis XIV, Versailles was open to the public - even the apartments (and bedrooms) of royalty. Wouldn't this have posed a huge security threat in terms of potential assassination attempts, as well as theft?
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I recently saw the movie "The Witch" (terrible), but it made me wonder where they would find spouses for their children. The village shunned them, and there's no one else around.
Edit: Specifically England and settlers of New England.
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So, the cave of Niaux in France is what makes me ask this question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Niaux
Humans painted elaborate, skillfull cave paintings 14 000 years ago (and further back in time, too!), which makes me wonder what kind of language they had. I know evidence of spoken language disappears, but is there anything we know about what kind of languages were around, say, roughly 14 000 years ago?
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Or did they just use the Suez Canal instead?
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It seems a bit odd that the exploration of the Americas is more well known than the actual colonization of the region to the general public
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First off what was his religion? I hear at times Nestorian Christian or Buddhist
Second can anyone confirm if this is his Tamgha (seal) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan#Communications_with_Europe
Third this is the closest thing I've found to his letter
As badass as it sounds, what the hell does toss you in the air like a lion mean?
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I've read a few different books on these two areas and I'm getting differing views on how much Greece was a part of the world of the Ancient Near East. I don't know if this is due to emerging evidence, differing viewpoints, different interpretations, or...something else.
In some ways it seems like the cities of Greece were just trading partners and sometime military allies or enemies. But then there seem to be more significant cultural ties in terms of art, architecture, and religion. Greece doesn't seem to have been a great power like Egypt or Assyria, but it was at least in the sphere of the ANE powers. So how connected were these areas?
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