Why is the Treaty of Versailles even today popularly considered to be so harsh and punitive?

This has been talked about to death but I searched and searched and couldn't quite find a satisfactory answer to this question. I apologize if there is one and I missed it.

It seems relatively widely agreed upon by historians that Versailles was not actually particularly harsh. The "War Guilt Clause" is a myth, the reparations were justifiable and had Germany not run their economy so far through the ground they would have been able to pay them, and reducing their army and navy was a decent way to try to avoid another aggressive war. The treaty involved the liberation and self-determination of many new countries, etc etc. If anything people at the time saw it as far too lenient. Compared to, say, Brest-Litovsk, Versailles was practically benevolent.

So why is it still taught as being a horrible, harsh, cruel injustice forced upon innocent little Germany, so absurdly unfair that they couldn't help but try to conquer Europe again? Am I wrong in believing it not to be harsh? Has Nazi propoganda been so effective that it sticks around even today (as it certainly does for some things, see tanks re: quality)?

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Why didn't India become rich like Hong Kong even though it was a British colony?

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Was the Russian eastward expansion during the 16th and 17th centuries marked similar atrocities to the American westward expansion in the 18th and 19th centuries ?

Tales are often told of the 'genocide' of native Americans with the great westward expansion of the US. While a massive part of the native population had perished from old-world diseases, the land was hardly unoccupied. Northern Asia experienced no similar epidemics, yet Russia managed to close the steppe highway and expand its territory to China within a single century. What were the treatment of the indigenous 'Siberian' peoples, the turks, tartars, mongols and others ? Are there any stories of cultural and physical annihilation similar to that of the Native Americans ?

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Why is Mongolia today not Islamic when the late Mongol Empire was?

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Did India ever seek reparations from the UK like the Jews with Germany?

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Who was the king who burned his boat so that his men couldn't go back unless they won ?

Basically they go to a new land and the king orders the boat to be burned putting them in a sink ot swim position

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Why did the Western borders of Tang China jut out?

Looking at these maps here and here I was wondering why there is a portion of the Northwest borders that jut out so far. Was this part of the silk road? Or something else?

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(from /r/history) Looking for example 'day-to-day expenses' for historical California

Hi all,

I'm working on a (non-academic) project involving 19th century San Francisco. One thing that I'm having trouble with is getting a sense of how much everyday items like food, rent, clothes, etc would cost. I can plug 'how much is $X in 1849' into Google or WolframAlpha, but I know that someplace like California during this time would have prices much different than the average. I can also get a small sense based on historical newspapers (this has been a big help), but again, information is pretty fragmentary. Is there any place where I can find this kind of info?

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Where did the idea that the US was a 'Christian Nation' originate?

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Nazi Germany's declaration of war on the United States: how, mechanically, did it take place?

Question inspired by the appearance of this photo on /r/HistoryPorn: http://i.imgur.com/TadlLhB.jpg

It's December 11, 1941. Hitler decides that Germany will declare war on the United States. How, mechanically, does this take place? Under German law at the time, does Germany formally and legally declare war simply by Hitler saying so? Or did the action require some sort of formal legislative or executive process? In the photo, is Hitler actually taking the legal action to declare war, or is he merely announcing that the action has already been taken?

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Why was India never given a seat on the security council even though it was equal to China in every way until the 70s when China began its rapid economic rise?

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How did Plato's name become root word for non-sexual friendship? Platonic.

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People often talk about the various mistakes of Nazi germany that supposedly cost them the war. But are there any mistakes the Allies made during WWII that are in retrospect obvious and which set them back to a longer conflict ?

Apologies for the poor English, hope the question is still understandable

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For which cultures (and in what times) was it common for military leaders to actively fight in battles?

It would also be interesting to know about different ways commanders of all ranks behaved in combat.

e.g.

Fighting like everyone else plus shouting orders?

Fighting with a special guard; maybe as a driving battle factor?

Staying just behind the first ranks and observing/reacting?

Leading a special reserve to special situations?

At the very front of formations?

At the center of formations?

Just fighting? Just commanding? Just accompanying troops to places but then falling back before enemy contact?

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How do we discover pronunciation of dead languages?

I'm interested in how we discover the proper pronunciation of words from dead languages. For example, how did we discover or "figure out" Caesar is pronounced with with a hard C rather than a soft C? Should I post this in linguistics?

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Why do the British Isles have less of a seafood-based culinary tradition than other coastal/island areas like Scandinavia, Japan, Korea, the Northeast American seaboard, and Southeast Asia?

Of course there's the classic pub fish and chips, but for the most part, I don't think of seafood dishes when I think of the signature cuisine of Great Britain and Ireland. With such ready access to the sea, why aren't they more known for consuming its bounties?

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8 out of 10 sailors in 1849 missing right index finger, why?

In the year 1849 French author Gustave Flaubert went up the Nile on a Falucca sailing ship. He observed that 8 out of 10 sailors were missing their right index finger.

Does anyone know more about this odd piece of trivia? I'm dying to learn why these sailors were missing their fingers but have been told (and confirmed) that I will not be able to find further info on the internet. Thanks!

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Is there any record of shields being used as thrown weapons like Captain America or Steven Universe?

The classic "frisbee" like throw is almost a trope in media but I've literally never heard of someone doing this outside of TV/movies so was this ever a real practice?

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Us bombing Japan pre pearl harbor?

I was talking with one of my friends who lives in Japan the other day. He swears up and down that the US was bombing Japan before Pearl Harbor and that Pearl Harbor was in retaliation to this. The reason the US doesn't hear of this becaise of censoring. Is he correct or is he just full of shit?

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German Nationals in Allied Armies WW2

Is there an official record for the number of German Nationals who served in the Allied armies in WW2? I'm not talking about people of German descent but those born in Germany and fled to the one of the major allied countries. It's easy to find the number of foreign nationals from conquered allied nations and that got me to thinking about German Nationals. Any Google search gives information about other topics that just happen to include my search keywords.

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How influential was Michael Collins and the IRA to later guerrilla campaigns, in terms of military strategy, tactics, organisation etc.?

For example, I've often heard it said that Mao Zedong studied Collin's tactics, is this true? Can we see any influence on later revolutionary movements and figures?

Thanks.

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I just finished listening to Hitler's declaration of war on the US. He accused Roosevelt of inciting war with Germany using specific incidences (such as US escort-ships attacking a u-boat in Greenland on Sept. 29, 1941). Are there any resources that discuss these accusations in his speech in depth?

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where can i find documents about pancho villa,mexico revolution and the hunt US made on him?

im trying to understand a bit more deeply about the mexican revolution and can seem to find that easily online documents about that. does anyone recomend me a site?

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How did the most battle scarred countrys of WW2 cope with what must have been a very high amount of people with psychological disorders caused by the war?

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How Greek were the Hellenic kingdoms?

More specifically, how much was Greek culture adopted by the native elites in Alexander's successor kingdoms? I haven't found a scholarly consensus on this yet, and am not sure which sources to start looking in...

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5008 / 7255

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